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This is an interview that woke me up to the reality of flat earth. In early 2015, The Higherside Chats interviewed Eric Dubay about flat earth. Eric reuploaded it on his channel under the title ‘Masonic Matrix Manipulators’ and that’s where I listened to it. To this day it is my favorite interview on the topic of flat earth, so I decided to remix and re-edit it ODD TV style.