Bart Sibrel We Did Not Go To The Moon Interviews With Joe Rogan and Patrick Bet-David

0:01Joe Rogan podcast check it out The Joe Rogan Experience Train by day Joe Rogan0:07podcast by night all day all right folks drop in good to see0:15you man thank you we first met what was like at least 20 years ago right 220:20years ago was it 22 mhm wow so uh I had seen your movie and I don’t even0:27remember how I got in touch with you cuz this is before my podcast I don’t even you emailed me okay so did I email you0:33off your website is that what it was I think so and then you said if you’re ever in La let’s meet and I happened to0:39be in La when you sent me the email ah synchronicity yes yeah0:46so let’s take everybody on this journey with you so you were a young man you0:52were fascinated by NASA you were a NASA fan you had NASA photos on the wall of0:58your room what happened what happened to you that1:04you you you’re essentially you’re known worldwide as the leading proponent of1:09the Moon Hox Theory you’re the guy who’s researched it the most you’re the guy who can Auto recall the most1:18information and you’re the guy that the people that believe the moonlanding was real hate the1:25most so how this all happen well let me start by saying a comment about what you1:31said Theory you know it’s not a theory they did fake the moon landing1:37that’s a fact whether people realize it or not okay but we weren’t there so1:42let’s just go on what we know in terms of facts and I’m going to call it a theory okay you’re so Pol for fun I’m1:49just trying to well I’m going to have to steal man some of the arguments against you you know obviously how I mean this1:57is a fascinating but yet very challenging subject I think2:04today more people are aware of the insanely widespread deception that the2:11government was involved in during the same time as the moonlanding I think2:16this is important and I know a lot of people um who uh get very angry when you2:22question the moonlanding um they they use terms like patriotism they you ter national pride like we did this2:29incredible thing the scientists that we have I understand what they’re saying I understand where they’re coming from2:35entirely but we have to look at things realistically if we’re ever going to get2:42an accurate picture of how the world works and I think if we look at the time2:49that we’re talking about the Nixon Administration we talk about the Gulf of tonan incident where they got us into2:55Vietnam where there it was a [ __ ] false flag that wound up killing how many people was like a million people3:00dead because of that 3 million people including 58,2213:30there’s there’s the Bay of Pigs there’s all these things there’s the Kennedy assassination itself which they still3:35won’t release the files there’s the moon landing the moon landing and then there’s Nixon getting3:41Nixon removed from the White House which I didn’t know was a giant government operation too Tucker Carlson laid that3:47all out and I was like what and then I read a bunch about it what he’s saying is totally3:53true this one’s the one that people hold on to the most because it’s a source of national pride and it is also like the4:01accomplishments of NASA the accomplishments of the scientific Community accomplishments of these people that are able to make things like4:07the stealth bomber and all the wild [ __ ] that we know that is absolutely real the space shuttle SpaceX all of the amazing4:14engineers and scientists it seems to a lot of people4:19that by calling the moonlanding fake you’re discounting that work you’re discounting that amazing accomplishment4:25from humans what I want people to do is is to say what did they tell the truth4:32about if you if this is the one thing that you’re willing to hang your hat on he said I know they lied about4:37everything they lied about everything they they lied about MK Ultra they were dosing up John’s and brothel with acid4:43and monitoring them they they dosed up Charles Manson they probably trained him how to be a cult leader in prison the4:50whole MK Ultra thing is 100% legit verified there’s plenty of documents on4:55it um they they experimented on people with acid they did mind control experiments on5:02people what what did they tell the truth about what did they one they said you know what I know we’re liars and we get5:08people killed and we’re you know funneling money here and there but what we can’t lie about the moonlanding guys5:15and everybody agreed and everybody agreed this one this one we’re going to be this is just what it is is what it is5:21and we’re going to give the scientific Community Access to all the data so everybody knows it’s verified we’re5:27going to have third party people test everything to make sure it’s verified well you brought up a bunch of5:33good points um my opinion is really the opinion of the experts for example5:39Robert Kennedy Jr is 100% certain he has more access to the JFK files than Oliver5:45Stone does he’s 100% certain that his uncle President Kennedy was killed by5:50the CIA then as you mentioned the Gul of tonan Robert mcnamer before he died got5:56it off his chest said that the Gul of tonin incident the Pearl Harbor incident that got America behind the Vietnam war6:04never happened he and the CIA completely fabricated it Congress passed a law the6:10Gulf of tonan resolution that led to the death of 3 million people and6:2658,221 220 of Their Own soldiers I don’t think they have a problem faking an6:33image of the moon on television the problem is it’s a positive lie you see6:38whoever killed JFK you’re just changing who did it and why he’s still dead is6:44still a tragedy or 911 you can change who did it and why but all those people are still dead this is a positive lie6:53and people don’t want to give up that candy and I come along and say wake up and smell the manure7:00some people are like well I know America has gotten bad but at least we went to7:05the moon and people need to realize the sheer arrogance of the federal7:11government to pull off the moonlanding fraud when there’s virtually no eyewitnesses except three government7:17employees and a picture we have to trust is on the moon from the federal government yeah so it was actually very7:24easy to fake and in answer to your first question I was more than a supporter I7:29was Gaga idolizing the moonlandings with my father in the Air Force and giving me7:36a a packet of pictures of Apollo 11 and as I moved every two years from house to7:41house there were a prominent place of Glory on every bedroom wall from City to7:46City what changed well what changed is having an open mind and when but was there a moment yeah there well the first7:53moment was I’m so from the age of I was asleep in bed when it happened but at8:00age four I got those pictures saw them I mean even if I saw them once a day8:05that’s 3,650 times over the next 10 years probably saw them three times a day so I8:11see these pictures over 10,000 times believing they’re on the moon and being8:16thinking it’s the greatest thing and then I’m 14 years old and I see Bill casing a former rocket dine employee who8:23worked for NASA for six years on the Apollo program with high security8:28clearance only to Von Brun who says look I edited a memo from Von Bron to the8:34Pentagon warning them they are not going to make the goal there’s only a one in8:3910,000 chance they can go to the moon on the first attempt what year was this that was back in8:451966 I think and so three years later they went to the moon is it possible8:50that they were able to overcome whatever challenges that get got him to 10,000 to8:55one well no because I mean the there so we’re going to go over many proofs yeah9:01this is important but I mean I need to every step of the way well here’s how you can prove that’s not the case okay9:07okay just do so the number one proof that we have is simply deductive9:12reasoning because today with 5 fouryear better rocket designs and computer9:18designs the farthest that NASA can send a rocket with an astronaut into space is9:261,000th the distance to the Moon that’s why they’re sending mannequins to orbit9:32the Moon that can’t even land because they would die from the radiation so what they’re really claiming is back in9:391969 ahead of schedule on the first attempt when all of NASA’s computers had9:45one million to computing power of cell phone they sent astronauts a thousand9:51times farther into space than they can send it today with 54e better technology so what they’re really claiming is they9:58had a thousand times better technology in 1969 than they do today not10:04necessarily well but but that is because you can’t have better technology in the past and in the future that’s impossible10:11but they haven’t done a moonlanding program today so if they started a moonlanding program program today the10:18technology is vastly superior right the the L time it would take less time to10:24return to the moon but it’s taking more time less right but they’re not doing it10:30right like during the AP because they can’t do it okay that’s what you’re saying yeah and I’m I’m with you but but10:35the Apollo program doesn’t exist today the Apollo program was a massive program to try to beat Russia to get the first10:42person on the moon and it was a concerted effort by how many scientists how many people were involved how many employees how many like overall I mean10:48very compartmentalized right but how many people overall were involved in the Apollo mood Landing well a couple10:54hundred thousand okay that’s a lot of people to organize and to Mo to to focus11:00on one very specific goal that’s not happening today so to say that we can’t do it today it’s like people would say11:08if I was steel Manning their position I would say no we’re not trying to do it today if we wanted to do it today we could do it today well actually they11:14they are 4 100,000 it says at the peak Apollo program employed 400,000 people and required the support of over 20,00011:21industrial firms and universities so here’s the the argument against that it11:26would be fake everyone would know and everyone would tell and it would get out11:32well that’s let me show you how that’s not true first of all Eugene cran flight director he said out of his own mouth11:40that a person in the Command Center in Houston during a launch to the Moon can11:46tell no difference whatsoever between a computer simulated flight and a real11:51flight they can’t tell the difference and just a bunch of numbers going by on a screen so if a person in the command11:58center can not tell a difference and how could we as a 10-year-old watching in on our living room at home and then do you12:05really think the CIA is so stupid to tell the person making the glove or the boot or the door handle hey we’re really12:12not going to the moon be sure not to tell anybody and then that’s wouldn’t be12:17the question the question would be that too many people would have to know and it would get out no it wouldn’t if if12:22someone in the command center doesn’t know then the command center people can be fooled once the rocket is up there’s12:28only three eyewitnesses to it it’s actually much easier to fake than we realize a bank teller and how many bank12:35tellers are at Wells Fargo hundreds of thousands 400,000 bank tellers probably12:41but do they know what the CEO knows about corruption in the bank I don’t think so you see there’s a big12:48difference and then we have no independent press coverage World War II had a billion or more eyewitnesses in12:55Europe but there’s no independent press coverage only three people it’s much13:01easier to fake Than People realize and then people wanted to believe it I also want to put people in the mindset of13:07humans that lived in 1969 with an incredibly limited access to information I think we’ become incredibly spoiled by13:14the internet and by the ability to search things and just read debunkings scientific papers all these13:21different things that are available that you could read today that just were not available back then and you knew either13:27what you learned at school or what the government or your employees told you your employers told you and that was it13:34that’s that’s all you had access to so these people that were working for NASA13:39to think that they had the kind of understanding of the way things are13:45manipulated that we have today there there’s no way they did there’s no way they they didn’t know about the Gulf of13:51tonen then they didn’t know about operation Northwoods they didn’t know about so many things that we know that the government has done the Kennedy13:57assassination hadn’t happened yet or it happened but they they still didn’t know who had done it you know that they had14:03wrapped it up and said Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone without the zuder film without the subsequent investigations of14:08it where people said wait a minute this is this guy like kept going back and forth to Russia Jack Ruby was in the mob14:14like what what the [ __ ] really happened here to back in 1969 when the14:20moonlandings were happening like this is an innocent country it was a different way people had a much different way of14:26looking at things well the people were innocent but the government weren’t they just killed their own president they14:31just faked the beginning of the Vietnam War and they were emboldened to fake the moonlanding because they had complete14:38control over the media and a public who wanted to believe it and even people at Nasa and Command Center couldn’t tell a14:45difference between the simulation and a real flight they also had a history of Faking things yeah they had a history of14:50deception it was it was a part of the fabric of the organization they were deceiving people all the time they were14:57deceiving United States citizens all all well and they still are that that’s the thing about the moonlanding and why it’s15:03so significant I mean let’s take a look at the two possibilities even though they went to the moon on the first15:09attempt ahead of schedule with one million to computing power cell phone but today they can only send astronauts15:141 th000 the distance okay let’s say they did that came back whoopy do15:20or they lied to the world they lied to their own people they embezzled the15:25modern equivalent of $200 billion they gave them Medals of Honor for being15:32such good liars they printed it on stamps and coins it’s taught in University if that’s true which it is15:40that’s so much more profound an event than had they actually gone so one of the greatest events in human history is15:47actually the faking of the moonlanding and we have to understand these people are still at large you don’t say oh well15:56there’s a you know a child kidnapper in the neighborhood and one child disappears every month for the last 3016:0140 years oh well what can you do these people are in charge right now they did fake the moonlanding don’t believe me go16:08to cell.com watch 17 clips for free that prove it have you had any debates with16:14people that think we definitely went to the Moon and what you’re doing is dangerous and ridiculous well the most16:19interesting comment I got is I showed all this proof to a college professor of a major university all this proof I mean16:27like I said Shadows inter in at 90° which you can’t duplicate in sunlight which means it’s electrical light which16:33means they didn’t go to the Moon all this proof the footage we incover be there that doesn’t mean they didn’t go to the Moon that means that photograph16:39is faked okay okay well why would the pictures be fake if they really went but in any case well you could no you could16:44make the argument that the radiation damaged the cameras and they weren’t able to get real photographs and so they16:50made a conscious decision to use fake photographs well I think if you were really going to the Moon you wouldn’t16:55dare fake any of it to be accused of that I think they had uh a lot more17:00hubris back then they they faked a lot of photographs back then it was pretty common um I mean you know the the famous17:07one of the Gemini 15 where you see Michael Collins uh in a simulation where17:12he’s he’s doing a drill and he’s attached to wires and then they just used the same image and blacked it out17:17and reversed it yeah so you’re saying NASA has a track record of Faking space flights before then yeah you’re or17:25publicity firms that work for NASA had a limited amount of photos to work with and they decided to manipulate some so17:32that they could have photos that they didn’t have of an actual event which really took place which was a space walk17:37but what we have is them faking being halfway to the Moon right but they do do things like Space Walk they do do things17:44like the Space Center so that’s where it gets confusing well they can’t they can’t leave Earth orbit that’s where it17:49gets confusing so the the real problem the question is the Van Allen radiation17:55belts now um operations starfish Prime that was the operation where they18:02detonated a nuke in the radiation belts right didn’t they do something like that18:08something kooky they were trying to blow a hole through the radiation Bel I’ve heard that I don’t know it’s not confirmed I don’t know yeah it’s well18:14it’s Secret Squirrel stuff but what is operations Google that what is operations starfish Prime I remember reading that going they did what they18:21shot a nuke into of space starfish Prime is a high altitude nuclear test18:27conducted by the United States a joint of the atomic energy commission and the defense Atomic Support Agency it was18:32launched from Johnson atal on July 9th 1962 as a largest nuclear test conducted18:38in outer space and one of the five conducted by the US in space a Thor18:43rocket carrying a w49 thermonuclear Warhead designed designed at Los Alamo18:49scientific laboratory and a MK2 re-entry vehicle was launched from Johnston atal18:55in the Pacific Ocean about 900 mil west southwest of why the explosion took place at an altitude of 250 Mi so is19:03that essentially like where the space station is and all that stuff is that’s right okay above a point 19 miles19:09Southwest of Johnson atal at a yield of 1.4 megatons the explosion was about 10°19:15above the Horizon as seen from Hawaii at 11: p.m. Hawaiian Time so what was the19:21goal behind this or at least what was the publicly stated goal behind blowing up a [ __ ] Thermon nuke in space well19:30I guess they were trying to see if they could open up the radiation in order to go to the Moon they knew that the19:36radiation was this connected though was this program connected to NASA officially I I think they were trying to19:43see if they could open a w it not to go through it look what it says there starfish Prime and this always happens19:49caused an electromagnetic pulse that was Far larger than expected so much larger that it drove much much of the19:56instrumentation off scale causing great difficulty in getting accurate measurements the starfish Prime20:02electromagnetic pulse also made those effects known to public by causing electrical damage in Hawaii about 90020:10miles away from the detonation Point knocking out about 300 street lights20:15holy [ __ ] setting off numerous burglar alarms and damaging a telephone company20:21micro link these boys were wild they just experimented with a [ __ ] nuclear20:27bomb in space and it B blew out 300 street lights in Hawaii shut out men20:32your burglar alarm goes off with the CU the [ __ ] government launched a nuke into20:38space holy [ __ ] the EMP damage to the microwave link shut down telephone calls20:43from Kawai to the other Hawaiian Islands a total of 27 small Rockets were launched from Johnson atal to obtain20:51experimental data from the starfish Prime detonation in addition a larger number of Rocket born instruments were20:57launched from Barking Sands Kawai in the Hawaiian Islands a large number of the United States military ships and21:02aircrafts were operating in support of starfish Prime in the Johnson atal area and across the nearby North Pacific21:09region a few military ships and aircrafts were also positioned in the region of South Pacific Ocean near Samoan Islands the location was at the21:16southern end of the magnetic field line of the Earth’s magnetic field from the position of the nuclear detonation uh21:22detonation an area known as the southern conjecture region for the test so does21:28it say why they were doing it though yeah I’m interested to see like21:34why did you guys do that give me give me some sort of a logical explanation why21:39you just took a [ __ ] chance and launched a nuke 250 miles into the21:45sky okay what did they say they were doing okay they began a response to the Soviets announcement on August 3 30th of21:511961 that they would end a three-year moratorium on testing began and resp right but why did21:59they do it in space I understand that they they they might have did nuclear tests back then because the moratorium22:06was over aliens aliens killed the aliens with nukes that’s probably why the22:11aliens started showing up more well that’s the all the folklore the folklore about uh fat man and little boy then22:17when they dropped those bombs that’s when the aliens started showing up like hey hey hey what are you doing which I22:23would do if I was an alien that’s around the time I would start Landing like as soon as they start dropping bombs on22:29cities like Jesus Christ so we know they did that that’s a real thing why they do22:36it the speculation is that they were trying to open up a portal to make Passage through the Van Allen radiation22:42belts possible now the people that say that it’s easy to go through the van Island radiation belts will tell you22:48that there it’s a donut it’s not a full it’s not like covering the entire sphere of Earth evenly that there’s openings at22:55the top and the bottom is this correct well yeah but then they would have to launch at the North Pole or South Pole23:01where it’s not possible to launch because of the temperatures that’s the only way you could do it to get through those holes that’s right according to23:07NASA’s own flight plan they went directly through the center that’s why they launched in Southern Florida to be23:13close to the equator okay so what they would say is that it’s not that dangerous and it’s just like being23:19exposed to a few X-rays and uh that the people were shielded well go to cell.com23:24and watch the latest C but you’re right there so I want to I just want saying what they would say to you the23:31the clip there is of Kelly Smith he’s an employee at Nasa explaining something23:36that most people don’t know which is above the Earth starting at about a th000 miles and extending about 30,00023:43miles is a huge band of radiation that astronauts would have to go through to23:48the moon and through again back first he says it’s dangerous meaning deadly and23:54then he says that the technology for an astronaut to go through it to the Moon in back and survive has yet to be24:02invented let’s listen to him say that and when did he say this I think he said that in 2014 okay all right Jamie24:11will’ll find that we’ll pull that up um but that would be the argument against the moonlanding be HX24:19let’s go navigation and guidance for Orion we are headed 3,600 m above24:25Earth 15 times higher from the planet than the International Space [Applause]24:33Station as we get further away from Earth we’ll pass through the Van Allen belts an area of dangerous24:43radiation radiation like this could harm the guidance systems onboard computers or other electronics on Orion naturally24:51we have to pass through this danger zone twice once up and once back24:57[Music] we must solve these challenges before we send people through this region of25:03space we must solve these challenges before we send people through this region in space we must solve these challenges25:10before we send okay did you just say that over and over again yeah what he said a Ryan though you see his name he25:16said it was for Orion you think he was talking about a different time period he said you would have to solve it for when25:21Orion was traveling when was Orion well he says You must solve these challenges before we send people right but through25:29talking what was he talking about though he’s talking he’s talking about sending people beyond Earth orbit through the radiation belt and he says that video25:36from what’s that what’s this video from yeah what is it when was he he said 201425:42he was talking about this and what was this the Orion Project was to have a25:47step toward going to the moon what year was this was I think he said that in 2014 so the the Orion Project was a new25:54uh project to go to the moon in 2014 just not as focused as correct they were using part of that spacecraft on the26:00Artemis Mission when they sent mannequins through the radiation belt he says we must first solve these26:07challenges of radiation protection before we send people through this region of space meaning the technology26:15to send an astronaut through the radiation and survive has not been invent not exactly what he was saying I26:20see where you’re going with this but what he did say that was it was dangerous radiation you wrote deadly in all capital letters uh but what he was26:28just saying it was dangerous and he was specifically talking about instrumentation he didn’t say dangerous26:33in terms of like to people right because that would be more of a clue that they didn’t go to the moon so he didn’t26:39mention that it would be a thing that you would go but hey how did they do it26:45and then they get it would you would open up a can of worms right he says we must solve these challenges of protecting the astronauts before we send26:52people right through this region of space meaning people cannot go through it until the radiation shielding is26:59developed and it has not yet been developed a way to send astronauts through it and survive in 2014 so if27:06it’s not been invented in 2014 yet then it wasn’t invented in in 1969 well and I27:13think another thing is important to say that if you’re saying that radiation is dangerous to instrumentation it’s going27:19to be dangerous to bodies even if you but I’m saying even if you don’t say that even if you’re not he did say27:25people before he could send people but he could you could say imply I’m not saying this is true but by what he’s27:32saying that what he’s saying is instrumentation would be damaged and that would be dangerous well and he also included people before we sent people27:38through this region space but but it could be because they would lose their instrumentation you could interpret that27:44I’m just trying to be as generous as possible you’re overly generous I’m trying to be so what is this this is27:49from Reddit that someone says this is the full context of what he says in that okay here it is my name is Kelly Smith27:55and I work on navigation and guidance for Orion before we can send astronauts into space on Orion we have to test all28:01the systems there only one way to know if we got it right fly it into space for oran’s First Flight no astronauts will28:07be aboard the spacecraft is loaded with sensors to record and measure all aspects of the flight in every detail28:13we’re headed 3,600 Mi above Earth 15 times higher from the planet than the International Space Station as we get28:20further away from Earth will pass through the Van Allen belts an Ang an area of dangerous radiation radiation28:26like this can harm the guidance system systems onboard computers or other electronics on Orion naturally we have28:32to pass through this danger zone twice once up and once back but Orion has protection shielding will be put to the28:38test as the vehicle cuts through the waves of radiation sensors aboard will record radiation levels for scientists28:45to study we must solve these challenges before we send people through this28:50region of space so the challenges have not been solved in 2014 so how could they have been solved in 1969 the thing28:58is even if they did solve it back29:03then if what how did they do it this is the question so this is what we know29:09about the spaceship the what we know about the Apollo 11 what we know about29:14the shielding that it had they had 1/8 of an inch of aluminum now when you get a a dental x-ray they use one4 in lead29:25and so that’s for 12 fourth of a second they would be in that for an hour to an29:31hour and a half going to the moon and an hour to an hour and a half coming back so what would that be the equivalent to29:38roughly in terms of like x-rays it would be 100 times more than a lethal dose29:43according to their own reports which are documented at sell.com all for free you29:48go on there and watch the videos and read the documentation okay and to be clear and to be clear how many people29:54have gone through that supposedly well was the first ones the first one there29:59was an orbit of the moon a Mann orbit of the moon before there was a land yeah there were allegedly 24 people who have30:05allegedly gone through it to the moon and back but the footage we uncovered shows them faking being halfway to the30:11Moon from Earth orbit so it proves that they could not even go halfway to the30:18Moon because they’re faking being halfway to the Moon well whatever that footage was though in all fairness that30:23footage wasn’t released right that footage was found footage correct that was outtakes of them faking being30:30halfway to the Moon which even my greatest critic agrees that is them faking being halfway to the moon and30:37they’re doing it from Earth orbit and it’s dated two days into the flight where they’re supposed to halfway to the30:43Moon we’ll show the video but if I was going to steal man it what I would say is if I’m training these guys to film30:49things and they’re training all day long to do a bunch of different things one of the things I would do is to train them30:55how to film the Earth from the Moon and to stimulate or to simulate that I31:01would say what you can do is black out all the light when you’re in low earth orbit focus on one of those circular31:06Windows put the transparency or whatever it is in front of the window and practice that way so that way we make31:12sure you get it right except it’s dated two days and 3 days into the flight when they’re supposed to be halfway to the31:19Moon damn my steel man’s not working yeah okay so let’s you’re really bad I’m just trying I’m just giving you have to31:25though right don’t you think I have to no you don’t and here’s why because31:30we’ve heard their side of the story for 54 Years everybody hasn’t this is where you’re wrong no their side of the story31:37we’ve heard that the moonlandings are real for 54 years we’ve heard you’ve heard that but they don’t need extra31:42time truth people today that are in the scientific community that believe the moon landing is real so you have to31:49approach it from the perspective of how they’re going to debunk your debunk okay well let me tell you something else31:55about the radiation let’s look at the footage first cuz I think just we’re beaten around the bush the footage is so shocking that you immediately go okay32:03what is this like what is this I just want to know what what logically could32:09this be the only thing that I could think of that was logically would be32:14that they were practicing I’m asking though is this the video I’m should should be showing here or not yeah32:21mhm oh this so this is one when you compare back and forth right correct I mean there’s there’s more of just the32:28actual video that we can watch well there you could go to uh sell.com click32:33on a Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the moon or go to the moonman video links at sell.com and pull this up32:40Smoking Gun I just gave you the time cues on the most significant part where you could do the side by-side comparison32:47and the side by-side comparison is for well on the left Neil Armstrong claims this is 130,000 Mi out he claims that32:55the camera lens is at the glass and that’s the Earth floating in space what’s on the right hand side are the33:02outakes that we got an unedited reel of the special effect shot by accident and33:08the lights come up and you see okay so this is the exact same size image33:14roughly the same distance they were really out on the left he claims and this is the part they showed to the33:20public that that’s the Earth floating in space halfway to the Moon looking back okay and then on the right is the out33:27takes where the lights come up and you see that the camera is really at the back of the spacecraft and that’s part33:33of the earth outside of a circular window with a little crescent piece molded in front of it and that’s the33:40take on the left- hand side you’re about to see Michael Collin’s breakdown part33:45of the uh so this is where effect this is what I want everybody to look at cuz this is where okay hold on a second this33:51is where it gets really weird so they’re saying they’re 130,000 miles away so they’re in deep space it’s the window33:58you see that so now there’s people standing in front of the you we used to think that we’re looking out into space34:05at the Earth but now we realize there’s people standing in front of it so there’s other stuff going on so34:10something there there’s you’re filming a room and then that’s really the window that’s an arm yeah that’s an arm getting34:17in front of the window that’s an outtake they never showed because it shows that it’s a fake shot okay do you think that34:22that is just a piece of the Earth in a circular window or do you think they put something over the window to represent34:29the Earth uh another photographer believes it’s part it’s like a transparency of there’s the circular34:36window let let this play out let’s let this play out so if see so that’s the window the point is it’s the window back34:41it up a little bit they’re using the window to create a one foot model of the Earth they’re and they’re using the34:47darkness of the cabin by blocking out all the windows it makes in space exactly it makes it look like the Earth34:54is floating in space so we have them faking being halfway to the Moon which means they cannot go halfway to the moon35:01and here we are 54 years later and they still cannot go halfway to the Moon35:07that’s why there’s mannequins orbiting the moon they said in 2014 in 2018 they35:12would have people orbiting the moon they were 100% behind schedule yeah but that’s politicians they they lie about35:19everything and they might have had Grand plans and didn’t get the funding but this is shocking weird stuff because35:25it’s hard to explain it’s hard to come up with a rational explanation of what this could be because if they being35:32halfway to the Moon that’s what it is and they but we should play the audio so they tell and they say in the audio35:38we’re 100,000 130,000 miles away correct right and then they also say which is35:43which is another lie that there’s only one window that faces the Earth and it’s filled up with the TV Camera meaning35:49right the lens would have to be right up against the window to see that but the camera’s really at the back of the35:54spacecraft with all the lights off you’re seeing part of the earth outside of the window it’s very ingenious let’s36:00play that so we can hear the words we can hear them say that because it’s even more interesting so if you see the36:05footage and then you hear the words you go what what could they possibly be doing here go to the Moon if they’re36:11faking being this is you video where can we find the raw video the raw video is in a Funny Thing Happened on the Way to36:17the moon go to sell.com it’s on the36:23homepage that’s his YouTube channel yeah that’s not my my film that’s another is this not the video no that’s no go to36:30sell.com he’s got links up there um let me add one thing about the36:35radiation so after Kelly Smith put his foot in his mouth I called up NASA I36:41said I’m a journalist can I talk to the guy no we don’t allow them to talk to reporters anymore I said well you sent36:47up two Geer counters on a civilian Mission with tax dollars to specifically36:54measure the radiation and the radiation belt which they should have had 50 years ago anyway right and then I said can I37:01please have those radiation readings and then they said this Joe they said it’s a classified military secret I said oh37:08wait a minute when you sent probes to the Sun to measure the temperature of the Sun the temperature of the sun is in37:15a military secret when you sent probes to Jupiter to find out how much helium is in Jupiter’s atmosphere the amount of37:21helium isn’t a military secret so why would the amount of radiation37:26surrounding the earth Earth and the radiation belt that most people don’t know about why would that amount of radiation be a secret because if they37:34reveal it it would prove that they couldn’t go through it to the moon or um we spent a lot of money to get that data37:41and that data is very important if if there’s manned Warfare in space like we have a37:49space force now there’s a anticipation that we could live in a future where there’s space wars right this is a real37:56thought this space program is real the you know this this space force is a real38:02organization if you’ve acquired yeah it really is I have a t-shirt Tim Dy gave to oh that must prove that it’s real a38:07t-shirt it’s real do I have a t-shirt an actual t-shirt but no there is a space force I think it was Trump’s idea right38:12yeah Trump started a space force which is awesome um anyway that’s data you38:18wouldn’t want Russia to have like so if the Van Allen radiation belts if there’s a way to get through them because you know exactly how much radiation it is38:25and you know that you need this amount of shielding you don’t want Russia to know that you don’t you want them to do spend your own money [ __ ] you can’t38:32have our [ __ ] data that’s what I would say I would say that’s an American secret that’s National38:38Security in that regard right because if if they’re if we’re going to be doing space wars they’re going to be flying38:44around through but they don’t know how to get through the radiation belts but we do then they’re going to rely on Espionage38:50they’re they sent probes to the moon so they would probably have Geer counters on there right but as they would know38:57the ration readings but they sent probes to the Moon a long time ago as time goes on the instrumentation is far more39:03efficient it’s much better more accurate so the stuff that they could the data they could get now we would both agree39:09right would be way better data than you got in 1963 that’s the argument people are making about now is that the39:14instrumentation now is more susceptible than it was then because of transistors are smaller and makes sense more39:20suceptible molecu getting in there yeah it’s it’s more complex uh you can start the clip if you want exactly that make39:27sense about the radiation belts when they were talking about instrumentation start at 34 my point is my point is are39:33don’t we recognize that the amount of instrumentation that would be dangerous to radiation would also be dangerous to39:40biological human beings well of course that’s why there’s mannequins orbiting the Moon instead of people that’s why you have to wear a lead Shield when you39:46get an x-ray and that’s why if you’ve ever seen those horrific images of people that used to test x-ray machines39:52back in the day when they would first started using x-ray machines in doctor’s offices the the technician would put his39:58hand under it and x-ray it and they didn’t know that you were [ __ ] your hand up really bad this guy they had40:03horrible Cancer all over their hands and that’s from 124th of a second not40:08something that’s 100 times more lethal going on continuously for 90 minutes the point is regardless of whether or not it40:16is dangerous to the instrumentation and that was their primary concern which could be accurate especially since the first one was unmanned it’s Al that kind40:24of radiation is probably bad for people it’s not unless you’re the Fantastic40:29Four right you go through it and you get superpowers right isn’t that what happened to them well yeah I mean let’s40:35get back to the technology issue I mean when they first exploded the first atomic bomb 1945 just 10 years later40:44atomic bombs were 1,000 times more powerful so if they could go to the moon40:50on the first attempt with 1 millionth to computing power cell phone we would have been on Mars 10 years later we’d be in40:56another solar system by now and there would be bases all over the moon it’s the only interesting one of the one of41:03the facts that there’s no other technology from 1969 that’s not easier41:09cheaper and faster to reproduce today except going to the Moon except41:14because it was a bluff like in poker okay so let’s play the video where you get to hear the audio so the audio is41:21really strange so this audio is uh this is Buzz Aldren Neil Armstrong and41:27Michael Collins in the the spacecraft and they are supposedly 130,000 M away41:34and they’re talking to NASA yeah let me describe it a little bit before you hit play so basically if they are which they41:40are not halfway to the Moon they estimated with radio delay and going41:46through the analog computers it would be 2 seconds out for them to hear the41:51transmission in 2 seconds back so this particular reel we uncovered the unedited reel of the special effect shot41:58of them faking being halfway to the Moon there’s a third track of audio who I believe is the CIA so first you’ll hear42:06why do you believe it’s a CIA well it’s it’s whoever is helping them fake the moon mission and you think it was a CIA42:11I would I would presume it would be okay and so NASA says the TV picture looks42:17great the person who he has an earpiece in counts off four seconds thousand And142:222 3 4 then we hear a third track of audio not NASA not the astronauts which42:28has this kind of walkie-talkie you know radio type of sound he says talk and42:34then Neil Armstrong speaks they’re creating a fake 4sec radio delay to make it appear they’re beyond Earth orbit42:40which they are really not okay let’s play it an allen radiation42:45belts understand too that only about 20 seconds of this raw footage was ever42:51broadcast to the public and these conversations discussing their deception were believed to be private42:58until now here they discussed that these television Transmissions were in fact43:03not broadcast live as everyone believed they were first screened and edited for43:09playback later right we just wanted a nity such a weend when we get to playback we can43:15sort of correlate what we were seeing thank you very much here they discuss the fact that43:20they have turned out the lights and have blocked out sunlight from entering the spacecraft through the other windows as43:26to not cause any reflected light to so that’s really the window of the spacecraft let it talk we shut out the43:33sun coming in some of the other window the spacecraft so it’s looking through a43:39uh a number one window and there isn’t any reflected light the reason this was43:45done is so that the truth of the matter would not be revealed it is this though43:51the federal government would have you believe that this is a view of Earth from a distance out of the spacecraft’s43:56window as it nears the Moon it is not what they have ingeniously done is44:02placed the camera at the back of the spacecraft and centered the lens on a circular window in the foreground44:09outside of which it is completely filled with the Earth in low orbit the circumference of the window then appears44:16to be the diameter of the earth at a distance with the darkened walls of the spacecraft appearing to be the Blackness44:23of space around it that is why they wanted the interior dark and blocked out the Sun from entering through the other44:31windows here you can see the extruded window probably 2 Ines thick at the44:36bottom this is because the Earth shine is coming in at a downward angle it also44:41causes the Earth to appear to be an irregularly shaped Circle for you are seeing the outside of the window at the44:48bottom and the inside of the window at the top which together form two different sized halves of a circle44:55subsequently this tap was never used as they perfected the shot a45:01crescent-shaped piece of black material was inset slightly into the window to create the illusion of the Earth’s45:07Terminator line dividing night and day it is uncannily45:13convincing during this segment intended to be edited and played back later for the worldwide television audience dated45:20July 18th 1969 Neil Armstrong condemns himself as45:26he states that he is 130,000 M out or halfway to the Moon as45:32the NASA flight log also States on this date when he is in reality in low earth45:38orbit of a few hundred miles 11 calling in from about 13,000 M45:47out here during another segment also intended to air after review Neil45:53Armstrong falsely explains to the viewers how the shot is attended by putting the camera’s lens to the45:59window’s glass as it would have to be if they were the claimed distance away from the earth and we only have one window46:07that uh has a view of the earth and it’s filled up with a TV Camera if the window46:13was completely filled up with a TV camera as he stated then an astronaut’s46:18arm would not be able to get between the camera and the window as it obviously does here in this46:24uptake South America becomes invisible just off Beyond The Terminator or inside46:30the shadow you can also notice how the astronaut operating the camera reacted46:36to the mistake by attempting to pan away from it see white major cloud formations46:44across the Earth and you see this is a segment that46:50they believed wasn’t even being recorded keep going much less suitable46:55for broadcast for the lens was being zoomed out and the scene was being changed to that of an interior of the47:01astronauts at work and apparently the stop button popped back up on the recorder without47:08notice here is the diffused work light that they used to see camera controls47:13but not throw light onto the spacecraft’s wall here they remove part of the47:18Crescent insert [Music]47:28finally the iris is opened up and you can see the real location of the camera and the very bright and near Earth out47:36the window here is the Slate for the 19th of47:42[Music] July okay so here here’s what I would say if I was trying to counter what47:48you’re saying all right the Earth at 130,000 Mi out is halfway to the Moon47:54the Moon is one4 the size eyes of Earth the moon uh on a full moon is fairly48:01bright I mean you could walk around outside in the dark I mean it’s pretty amazing how bright it is when it’s a48:06full moon imagine that four times greater and twice as close so the Earth48:13which has blue reflective light because of the oceans and it’s it’s it it’s glorious it glows in the sky you would48:21imagine that if you were filming Earth from 130,000 Mi out you would have to48:27blacken the insides of the walls and you would you probably couldn’t get the camera any closer to that window in48:34reality even by saying it’s in front of the window it’s covering the window48:39you’re talking I mean it probably doesn’t even fit any closer than that with all the instrumentation if you were48:45filming it specifically to try to get an image of the earth and what it looked like at 13,000 miles out would it even48:52look that small I don’t think it would it would probably look a lot larger so if there’s shooting it through this48:57window and the light is probably pretty intense it might be the only way to film49:03the Earth with the kind of cameras that they had back then would be to do it that way to block out everything in the room and to film through that circular49:10window as close as they can get that camera to and it’s just shitty footage of something that they eventually49:16figured out how to do right so that it wasn’t deception well the camera’s at the back of the spacecraft and that’s49:22the circular window and it’s filled with the Earth right if they were halfway to the moon and and the Earth was at the49:27window the Earth would be a tiny dot it wouldn’t be window no wouldn’t but stop it wouldn’t be that small cuz the moon’s49:33not that small you you got to think about how big the Moon is okay and the Moon is one quar the size of Earth think49:38about how close the Moon is so the Moon is a big ass [ __ ] thing right so let49:44me ask you this Joe do you think the moonlandings are real or not I’m not saying that what I’m saying wait minute49:50I just want to know what you think what do you think I’m going to go at this and I’m just going to try to ask the most49:57logical questions to refute what you’re saying without giving an opinion I’ll give you an opinion eventually but this50:03right now is if you were going to film the the the Earth from 130,000 miles out50:10and the Earth is four times larger than the moon and you’re halfway to the Moon I would imagine it would fill up that50:17window you wouldn’t you even it the difference between that and low earth50:22orbit I’m sure there’s a difference but I still think from that small wind it might be the whole window filled with50:29Earth that might be what you get well that’s not the opinion of myself as a filmmaker and three other filmmakers who50:36for a living our job is to make fake scenes look real uhuh and so we all50:41conclude that that’s the window that they have made a mockup of a one foot model to pretend but is there an image50:48of that mockup I never saw a mockup I didn’t there’s all well you saw them fiddle around in the window you50:55definitely see them fiddle around and the camera they lied about the camera being up against the glass the51:01camera is obviously at the back of the space to create that they said the C they said the window is filled with the51:07camera that’s what they said but it’s not it’s at the very back of the spacecraft the lights come up on the part they didn’t intend on showing and51:14the camera has been at the back of the spacecraft all the time right they they had to lie if they really were halfway51:21to the moon the only way they could film this shot would be to put the lens at the glass of the window window but it’s51:27a fake shot and part of the faking is the cameras is really at the back of the spacecraft all the lights are off part51:34of the earth is outside of a circular window and it looks cleverly like the Earth floating in space but that’s51:40really the window from Earth orbit question Jamie go ahead uh that you in the video it says that this line here51:47which like the Terminator line correct mhm yeah created with tape no like a transparency or something that that’s51:53like I don’t know some sort of Crescent insert they put into the window to make it look like the Terminator line between51:58a night and day I think it looks very good video said tape multiple times and then said they removed the tape could52:05have been a transparency I suppose but that line is very um that’s a very nice52:10gradient which was what it would look like if it was like the sunset not not um tape or well it’s less clear right52:19it’s less clear than like the top end and like if it was a transparency sitting on the on a glass or something that line would be moving it would have52:25to be hard set well I mean just go just go back to the segment with a little yellow circle around the window and you52:31can see they’re fiddling around with the window breaking down the model Jamie they only showed 20 seconds no no I know52:36I was say if that’s what I thought it was I would why not just create create recreate the fake scene I guess with you52:42know a giant picture of the earth outside of well I think the point is that they had to represent the Terminator line because of where they52:48were in orbit so if they’re flying away from Earth and they’re going towards the moon at a very specific time you’d be52:55able to know like where you know what part of the Earth was dark at what point in the flight right I would think so I53:03mean they they had to have known they they knew the cations with the public yeah but I mean they would do it the53:10right way if they’re going to not necessarily they made lots of mistakes yeah okay so yeah well this one’s a53:15weird one and to to me this is like the the only thing that I could say if I was going to steal man would be what I said53:22was that maybe his he misspoke by saying it’s it covering the window what maybe what he meant was that the53:29camera was pointed at the window it was covering the window and if you’re going to film something that’s incredibly53:35bright that’s coming into a bright environment it’s going to be obscured by all the light you know that right so the way to film it correctly would be to53:42adjust the aperture correctly darken the room and then point towards that window and you would be saying that the camera53:49is covering the window cuz it is covering the window that’s what it’s covering when you’re filming something you’re covering something so you’re it’s53:54covering the window it’s looking out the window window you blacked out the cabin so that you could actually see what’s54:00bright coming out of that window which is incredibly bright because it’s four times bigger than the moon and twice as54:05close because they’re halfway there well the shot where Neil Armstrong lies and says he’s 130,000 miles out we see a54:12little blue Earth with a bunch of black space around it right but that’s not the54:19Earth floating in space that’s the circular window of the spacecraft that has part of the earth outside of it54:24that’s what it is the lights come up and you see that’s what it is for sure if54:30you’re saying that Blackness is space that’s deceptive but well that’s what they are saying but it doesn’t mean they54:37weren’t 130,000 miles out well why would they fake being 100, 30,000 miles out if they were really 130,000 mil if they had54:44a policy of deception in terms of imagry which it seems that they did even though54:50they did that I’m just steelmanning that it doesn’t necessarily mean that the whole thing was fake right well if I I54:57was trying to understand so it’s not that they’re 130,000 mies outut it’s that they’re in space faking the shot55:03yes they’re in faking being which is why it’s so bright the reason why it’s so bright is cuz they’re just like the55:09space station that doesn’t I don’t know I just I’m I’m getting more confused on all these pieces because like I thought55:15that they didn’t even go to space no no no no no no no nobody thinks that nobody thinks that they go to Space Jam you55:20need to catch the [ __ ] up on Reddit well look at this part here makes sense to me to begin with keep playing this part55:26Jamie and you’ll see that this is the window here’s the work light inside of55:31the spacecraft either that or it’s a giant UFO right no it’s definitely it’s obviously a work light okay and then55:37here is Michael Collins breaking down part of the special effect shot using the window you’re going to see them dis55:46just but let’s be honest about what we’re seeing what we’re seeing is motion in front of the window that’s right55:52that’s the that’s the window of the spacecraft not the Earth floating in space like they claimed a minute earlier55:59true which means they’re faking being but I have to stop you you’re saying like make the transparency all these56:05different things you’re saying there’s no evidence of that you just see movement in front of it I I understand your assumption but there’s no evidence56:11of a transparency well it’s not an assumption it it’s that you see him moving you see just Dark Shadows let’s56:18see it one more time you see Dark Shadows moving that’s the window of the56:23spacecraft 100% I’m agreeing with you that some stop there if that’s the window of the spacecraft then that’s not56:30the Earth floating in space they claim which means they’re faking being halfway to the Moon necessar which they would56:35never do if they really went halfway to the Moon necessarily it could mean that so they went halfway to the moon but they faked it anyway they’re faking this56:42footage because this is the best footage they can get with the equipment they have looking through that window and they they came to a conclusion the best56:49way to do it is to back the camera up block everything out and just film that circular window and that’s the Earth and56:55that’s the only thing and we’ll pretend that it’s the Earth with space but we really can’t get that because the57:01positioning of the camera the the the amount of room if you look as the thing goes bright this is my question to you I57:08think this is compelling and it’s bizarre but when you say they remove the transparency well there’s no57:14transparency you don’t see it you’re literally just seeing black figures in motion now in clarity now you see57:21Clarity so now you see the amount of distance very small space they’re working in amount of distance where the57:28the circular window is where the Earth is and then where the camera is so the camera is is still just a few feet from57:34the window it’s not like it’s in a a giant room it’s just a few feet from the window spacecraft coupled together so57:41it’s quite deep right but it’s still it’s still not that big where they are but where they are to 10 ft away from57:46the window that’s pretty small this this whole room is pretty small right it’s basically smaller than here to the where57:52the our screen is that we’re looking at but the point is it’s not the Earth floating in space it’s the window it’s57:57definitely not made up to look like the Earth floating in space blacked out environment if they’re trying to pretend58:03that that’s space that’s deception exactly it still doesn’t mean that they’re not one one thing at a time so58:08we’ve concluded they are faking being halfway to the mo no no no that’s not we concluded we concluded that they are58:14faking that the Blackness around that image of the Earth is space that’s all58:20we’re confirming I that’s why I’m confused but hold on Jamie hold on Jamie so we’re we’re we’re confirming58:26that they definitely were if they were saying that that Blackness which is clearly the inside of the cockpit right58:32clearly if they’re saying that that Blackness is space and that circular image is the earth looking at the Earth58:37through space that’s clearly deception okay Boll 11 is being deceptive with58:43their photography why would they do that if they really went to the moon okay the Steelman I I know this is annoying to58:48people me Steelman means Devil’s African is that what you’re saying yeah yeah yeah I’m I’m I’m taking the other side’s position because it’s interesting to see58:56how how it lines up you would say this they wanted good footage they couldn’t59:02get good footage any other way they couldn’t get through where the camera is and how big the camera is how small the59:08window is the amount of space they’re working with they couldn’t get real clear footage of the Earth in space in59:14the distance so they decided to film it this way film it through that circular window we’ll black out everything it’ll59:20look like space but you will see the Earth from where we are which is 130,000 mph you know there’s a coming out in59:27July and I don’t know I’ve only seen the trailer but they talk about shooting a59:32fake moonlanding as a backup now they don’t care why you believe the59:38moonlandings are real as long as you do if you believe they’re communing with aliens with a secret crew or Neil59:44Armstrong does it they don’t care this the same thing if they really went to the moon they wouldn’t have to fake any59:50of it because they showed so little of the mission anyway to the moon it’s they wouldn’t59:57dare they would dare fake they wouldn’t dare fake any of it because there were people at the time already saying it was1:00:03fake they wouldn’t dare fake any of it if it was real even during the landing1:00:09they showed computer animation and then all of a sudden you see that black and white would dare fake it if it was real1:00:15see this is where we disagree because I think if it’s very difficult to go there1:00:20it’s even more difficult to go there and document it right and specifically when you’re talking about1:00:26camera equipment if you take camera equipment the old old school film and you run it through old school radar1:00:31detectors at the airport those metal detectors it [ __ ] up your camera equipment right doesn’t it [ __ ] up your film well but doesn’t it isn’t that1:00:38correct it wasn’t difficult for them to go to the Moon they they went six times in three years they drove cars on the1:00:46moon play golf on the moon that’s what I’m saying and yet for some reason today they can only send mannequins to orbit1:00:52the Moon listen we’re in agreement on this this is not what I’m saying what I’m saying is what you could say is that1:00:57the real Pro maybe they went and they faked the footage and the reason they faked the footage because the footage1:01:02got all [ __ ] up because they went through radiation I’m sure they would love the public to believe that because many filmmakers like myself agree that1:01:10the footage is fake so how can we possibly trick the public into thinking the moonlandings are real even though1:01:17the pictures are fake why don’t we create a feature film saying well we just only did it as backup and some of1:01:23that footage got got leaked into the real footage they showed so little real1:01:28footage to begin with why didn’t they just have a camera on the side of the rocket showing live pictures during The1:01:34Descent instead of a little Atari computer animation and then suddenly a picture of them stable and coming out of1:01:41the out of the spacecraft because they faked it as you know from my book we have an eyewitness who saw them film1:01:48Apollo 11 at Canon air force base June 1st 2nd and 3rd 1968 and yeah but I have eyewitnessed1:01:56that were raped by Bigfoot you could find those well you know what I’m saying like if it wasn’t if the guy wasn’t here1:02:03if the guy wasn’t here his son cooperates it and we have a video of that we can show the the point is and1:02:09it’s not even in my book okay the first thing the guy says as he’s dying about1:02:14to meet his maker fearing not being on the right side of judgment is that he’s1:02:19a murderer he killed somebody his son who you can go to sell.com watch his1:02:26son’s testimony who saw his father’s deathbed confession he said who did you1:02:31kill he said I killed a coworker at Canon air force base where he was the chief of security the military police1:02:38came in and they interrogated him as he’s dying wanted to notify the1:02:43relatives of the person who he killed who did you kill such and such a person a fellow employee at Canon air force1:02:50base in 1968 why did you kill him we both eyewitnessed the filming of1:02:56the fake moonlanding July uh sorry June 1st 2nd and 3rd of1:03:021968 my friend thought it was morally wrong he was going to tell a reporter and I killed him to cover it up his son1:03:09confirmed he was chief of security at Canon air force base he lived right across the street from it he Stood1:03:16Beside President Johnson who was there for the first of 3 days of filming he1:03:21gave him a list of 15 people that were there who were allowed in the VIP1:03:26entrance to eyewitness it Neil Armstrong’s on the list balron is on the list and several people I never heard of1:03:33we got that list we publish it in my book and this is this is real his son1:03:38after telling me this information and confirming it his house was broken into a few days later everything about his1:03:46father was confiscated days after that two agent show up from the government1:03:52this is less than two years ago threatened to kill him and his family if he ever talks to me again about his1:03:59father’s participation in the moonlanding fraud the White House was involved in investigating this the FBI1:04:05was and the United States Senate intelligence committee investigated this and that man and those reports are1:04:12sealed because it’s a great embarrassment to the federal government that they did actually fake the1:04:19moonlanding I was the biggest fan if I can go from being the biggest fan to1:04:24having to accept the sad fact that our government is that arrogant and not only1:04:30that I interviewed the Widow of Gus Grom who was going to be the first man to1:04:37walk on the moon now we should explain one of the things that Gus Grom did that got people very angry he hung a lemon1:04:44that’s right yeah explain that well basically he was he was totally confused1:04:50how they could possibly think they’re going to the Moon in two years he thought it was at least 10 years away1:04:55and and still we can’t even go now right because of the radiation and he was preparing reports to give to Congress1:05:02and the Senate that his wife told me were confiscated from his house by CI1:05:08agents before they even informed her that he was dead which he had died a few minutes earlier she told me I1:05:15interviewed her for four hours this is the man who is going to be the first man to walk on the moon and he was the most1:05:22beloved of the press Corps and he was so frustrated he kept complaining up the1:05:28chain of command they wouldn’t fix anything because the higher-ups knew they weren’t going to go and hadn’t1:05:33committed yet to faking it and therefore hadn’t told the astronauts yet and that’s why they weren’t fixing anything1:05:39this your belief well that’s you know her her conclusion as well right and in his1:05:44Fury without permission he held the press conference he invited in a bunch of reporters to the top of the rocket1:05:51where he affixed the lemon the size of a grapefruit on a coat hanger he said this thing is a lemon a piece of junk made1:05:58the evening news and a few days later he dies his wife told me that on January 261:06:041967 he came home from work and said the following hun for some strange reason1:06:11the CIA is all over the Launchpad today I wonder why they’re here inspecting the1:06:16equipment never seen him here before he’s dead the very next day from faulty1:06:21equipment his widow told me he was murdered by the CIA the man who was1:06:28going to be the first man to walk on his Moon his son 747 pilot said the same1:06:34thing who I interviewed for three hours that his father was murdered by the CIA so it’s one thing if they fake the moon1:06:41landing and didn’t kill anybody maybe I’ll confess my devious nature I kind of1:06:46you know admire their Ingenuity you know like the people who tunnel from the dry cleaner into the bank but not if you1:06:53kill three guards slit their throat who have wives and children and the First with with three guards well I’m1:07:00just saying for example you know if they if they fak the moon landing and didn’t kill anybody that’s one thing but that’s1:07:06not the case you see and I know the type of person you are and the type of guess you have on your show we’re true1:07:14Patriots and Patriots have to face facts that when people take an oath to this1:07:19country it’s to protect it against all enemies foreign and domestic1:07:26they always want misdirection the Boogey Man to be in some other country where the biggest traitors to our country are1:07:33Americans and high office right that’s what’s going on and the first document1:07:38of our country isn’t the Constitution it’s the Declaration of Independence1:07:43where it says when any government becomes destructive of life liberty and the pursuit of happiness it is the right1:07:51of the people to alter or abolish it where according to Betty Grom they took away his life they take a third of our1:07:58income they deceive us through a moonlanding and then they use that money1:08:03to pay the salaries of the C agents who killed Gus Grom and two let’s go to Gus1:08:09gom’s death so Gus Gom died in an accident right he died in a fire correct1:08:15his his wife says that fire was set intentionally I understand that she I understand and I understand that why she1:08:21would believe that that makes sense well if if if her husband says C agents or messing around with the equipment the1:08:26day before and he’s dead the next day from faulty equipment the CIA killed him it’s a pretty obvious conclusion that’s1:08:33it could possibly be that definitely but also when you’re launching Rockets a lot1:08:38of people die they weren’t launching anything it was just a ground trest of pressing buttons and they found that1:08:46they pressurized that Space Capsule with 100% oxygen where steel will become1:08:52flammable they revers the door the day before so that it opened inwardly1:08:57instead of outwardly took an extra 5 or 10 minutes to open up and then they found a pile of oily Rags under his seat1:09:05so that they would do a spark and then I got the Apollo one report we bought it for1:09:10$10,000 from Roger chaffy Widow from his estate and there was a dip in power1:09:17right before the fire because the CIA had clamp something clamped in there to start the fire they ignited it it caused1:09:23a dip in power and then the fire began so where is this evidence that there was a dip in power well it’s in the Apollo1:09:30one report that there was a dip in power they had right before the fire because something was tapped into there that the1:09:35CIA rigged the previous day and that’s what killed them is there a logical explanation for why they reverse the1:09:41doors yeah so they would make sure not be able to get out it would take more time to get out sure they would kill but1:09:48is there a logical explanation in terms of an improvement design they were just testing something new right that’s their1:09:55EX use right um and the fire what was the1:10:01official explanation for how the fire was started just faulty wiring and what was the evidence that1:10:09the oxygen had been increased in the environment well that’s a fact they they knew not to do that that it had caused1:10:15fatalities where did you hear this fact well she told me and it’s in the Apollo 1 report which I so in the in the Apollo1:10:20one report it says they increased the oxygen by how much well they did 100% oxygen in the cabin and did they say why1:10:28they was just testing it something to test an experiment right and so that1:10:34then a fire ignites that’s right they rigged they rigged it with the oily Rags under there with reversing they did1:10:40everything they could to make sure those guys burned alive to get rid of the guy because Gus gum had they asked him to1:10:48fake the moonlanding he would have said no way and then he would have gone to the reporters okay the same reason my1:10:53source Cyrus Eugene acre killed his coworker because his coworker witnessed Apollo 11 being filmed at1:11:00Canon air force base in 1968 said this is wrong for the government to do this and was going to tell a reporter and he1:11:07was killed for the very same reason yeah I’m I would love to see the1:11:13video of that if there was a video of it it’d be interesting yeah there’s a video of his son talking about this you have1:11:18it cute up their people get old and when they get old they they say crazy things I it’s that crazy to say I’m a he we we1:11:26verified he was the chief of security I don’t know what his mental state was when he was dying I don’t know if he had dementia I don’t know you know what I’m1:11:32saying like people could but I’m not saying sure you didn’t work for O.J Simpson’s defense team I’m not saying it1:11:38didn’t happen I’m saying that some old people particular first of all memories are terrible most people’s memories are1:11:43a just said that earlier you forgot that memories are terrible yeah yeah you just said it a second ago yeah some most1:11:50people’s memory is not that good and then if you’re really old and you’re mentally compromised and maybe maybe you1:11:55have full-blown dementia and maybe you imagine things that’s also possible I1:12:02mean that’s an odd thing confession K somebody to cover up the moonlanding fraud I know what are the odds of that1:12:08being dementia not very good but also possible when people have dementia they1:12:13they think they’re secret agents they don’t know what the [ __ ] is going on they don’t know their name they don’t know their kids they when people are1:12:19dying and they’re dying you know usually there’s a lot of stuff going on it’s not just of details fascinating yeah and1:12:27could be what we hope it is which is deathbed confession like uh didn’t e Howard hunt have a deathbed confession1:12:33about the JFK assassination well one of the videos if you have it queued up Jamie is his son giving his deathbed1:12:39confession right as he’s dying of cancer of what he saw his father say he says I1:12:45lived right across from Canon air force base my father was chief of security he shows us a picture of his badge and his1:12:51uniform he was there yeah and and and what Bill casing said I had to look up1:12:57my from my own Library Bill casing said the whole moonlanding falsification was supervised by the United States Air1:13:05Force well my dad was in the Air Force I never heard of Canon air force base it’s tiny fewer eyewitnesses and then every1:13:11Department of the military has their special ops Intelligence Division headquarters it’s headquartered at Canon1:13:18air force base and so that’s where it was filmed and I even confirmed that1:13:23several people were there including a gentleman by the name of Robert Emer never heard of the guy a science fiction1:13:31writer who who promotes UFOs which is another reason to doubt UFOs because the1:13:38same guy who says UFOs are real been his whole life saying the moonlandings are real you see that same thing with the1:13:45astronaut Steven Greer’s number one source that UFOs are real and I have a book coming out about this as well at my1:13:51website he says his number one source that UFOs are has the Apollo astronaut said so you see1:13:59that and which one Edgar Mitchell well yeah Edgar Mitchell among many others let’s let’s come back to that I got to1:14:05take a leak let’s come back to that and this is great I appreciate you thank you for coming here this has been a lot of fun and I hope you don’t mind me being1:14:12annoying but I have to to like to cover this and we’ll get into more you don’t have to I do I do no you don’t this is1:14:17the right way to do it trust me trust me okay we’ll take a leak we’ll be right back so um we were at Gus risham died in1:14:26a fire there’s another guy who NASA had hired to make a report and he had this1:14:32500 page report it I think it was like 500 pages about how bad how badly1:14:39managed mismanaged the whole Apollo program was and that he saw so many1:14:44flaws in it that he thought he was never going to get off the ground and then Thomas bar yes Tom Ronald Thomas Baron1:14:51correct and he died on train tracks that’s right that was uh kind of uh with1:14:57his family I CIA hits kind of go through fads and there was a big fad period1:15:02where a lot of people’s cars stalled at train crossings I think back then this was before DNA evidence and it would get1:15:09rid of the forensic evidence that’s also how they killed those kids in mea Arkansas that found the cocaine that1:15:15that was the whole part of that Tom Cruz movie the the true story behind the Tom Cruz movie with uh what was that guy’s1:15:22name again that Jamie Barry seals yeah who was uh smuggling drugs and dropping1:15:28them off into Mina Arkansas while Bill Clinton was the governor and they killed these kids and1:15:34put them on PL uh train tracks here’s a relevant point about Bill Clinton two of them on page1:15:39156 156 of his book you know this he says that he doubts as president the1:15:46authenticity of the moonlandings well he said in a very koi way right but that’s what he’s saying well he told an1:15:52anecdote about a carpenter that he was working with in 196 9 he was saying how amazing it is that These Guys these1:15:59people they they landed on the moon and the carpenter said no those TV fellows can get you to believe anything I don’t1:16:05believe the thing they say and then he said back then I thought the old guy was a crank I’m paraphrasing but now after1:16:11eight years years in the white house I think he might have been ahead of his time I think that was not paraphrasing I think that was word for word Joe yeah1:16:17good memory well here’s the second that’s quite word for word I’m sure but here’s the second point about about1:16:23President Clinton when he finally after denying it 20 times admitted that he had an affair a reporter asked him why did1:16:31you do it and you know what he said why what because I could meaning because I1:16:37could get away with it this what people need to see they did fake the moonlanding and why did they do it1:16:42because they could and these people are still in power it’s a dangerous thing1:16:48also because they wanted to win this cold war with Russia they wanted to get1:16:53this uh economic and cultural Victory right well that’s could be their excuse1:17:00okay so so here’s another question you murder Americans to do that alleged1:17:06murder Americans well we we assume yeah yeah but we don’t really know the Thomas1:17:11Ronald Baron one is a wild one because that rep that report was buried correct after that that’s right and in the1:17:17report do we have details of exactly what was said in the report well basically he said what Gus gum said1:17:23there were a decade or more away from going to the moon and that was after the Apollo one fire the baron report and of1:17:30course he died right before he was to testify to Congress right what a coincidence yeah about how NASA was so1:17:37far behind schedule n you know NASA has never kept a schedule a single time in1:17:42their entire history except the most complicated mission of all time they were head of schedule and do you1:17:48realized there’s never been an aerospace machine airplane whatever that ever1:17:54worked on the the first occasion not even the Wright brothers plane and a 7471:17:59after millions of aircraft had already been built 10 years more technologically advanced than the Apollo Rocket it took1:18:07168 attempts to get off the ground and yet for the first time in history the1:18:13the there was an aviation project that worked on the first occasion that happened to be the most complicated one1:18:19of all time you see that coincidence how about that so humans have accomplished1:18:24some pretty amazing things but the leap between that and the moon1:18:30landings in terms of getting biological living human beings s to survive this1:18:36twoe journey to land on the moon and come back how long did it take total all1:18:41days in space well the from setting the goal to doing it it took only eight and a half years and but the actual since1:18:49then they’re talking about it being taking 15 years to quote return to the1:18:54Moon even though they have 54 years better technology it’s going to take twice the amount of time to return to1:19:01the Moon with five decades better technology but again isn’t that they would you’d also say because it’s not as1:19:07focused an effort it’s not like well it is a focused effort because eight presidents have said they’re going to return to the Moon in five years right1:19:14yeah they all say that you you had Bush senior say it and and Reagan said it and1:19:19Clinton said it and Obama said it and Bush senior Bush Jr Trump they’ve all1:19:25said we’re going to return yeah he said we’re going to go to the Moon by 2024 uh time’s running out Tick Tock1:19:32ticktock you got a couple months left well they said they were going to have people orbiting the moon they said in1:19:372014 we will have people orbiting the moon in 2018 100% behind schedule my1:19:43point was and they only have mannequins orbiting the moon so my point was that the leap between what we do now in terms1:19:50of the difficulty difficulty of getting into space getting into lower orbit and and coming back it it it gets compounded1:19:58greatly by actually going to another planet Landing taking off coming back like that’s that’s much more difficult1:20:05and the only time that was ever accomplished was between 1969 and 1972 seven attempts six successful allegedly1:20:12accomplished allegedly accomplished but let’s just say what they’re saying just what they’re saying it’s it seems very1:20:20strange that no one else did it it seems very strange that it stopped right there and it seems very strange that no other1:20:25missions invol only it’s the only technological achievement in the entire history of world that no one from Any1:20:33Nation could repeat 50 years later now to steal man their position like it took so much money and so many res resources1:20:40that we don’t have that would be better served going to other things and that’s why they haven’t been back why should they go back they went there they they1:20:48understand they can prove they went there because there’s laser reflectors on the moon that they can shoot lasers1:20:53at and they will bounce off off and show you that there’s a laser reflector on the moon well that’s not an argument1:20:59either because in 1958 according to Scientific American Magazine they were bouncing lasers off the moon without any1:21:06man-made reflectors there on so all they had to do is choose a landing site that had reflective surfaces additionally1:21:12Russia put an unmanned Probe on the moon with laser reflectors so that doesn’t prove anything I was going to get to1:21:19that but that’s that’s the argument well you’re welcome I did it for you thank you that is the argument though right1:21:24yeah so the argument is the laser reflectors prove another like one of the goofiest ones was when they used the1:21:31reconnaissance imetry and they showed look we could see the landing site like what are you well yeah I meanin at you1:21:38have to understand they already faked a fullbody picture of an astronaut standing on the surface of the Moon1:21:44which was filmed in Clovis New Mexico according to an eyewitness okay so1:21:49you’re asking the fox for further proof that they didn’t steal a chicken you’re saying after faking a fullbody image1:21:57that was shot in Air Force Base and pretending it’s on the moon my client Mr Fox is an upstanding citizen and my1:22:04client refutes all allegations well the same fraudulent1:22:10organization has a little Shadow from alleged lunar satellite that says this is you know part of the lunar lander1:22:17yeah there there’s a lot of weirdness yeah uh another bit of weirdness that is fun to watch people do mental gymnastics1:22:24to explain away is the flag blowing in the breeze I was just checking this the1:22:29moonlanding these this photo was taken by a uh a guy like in uh Ireland or1:22:36something I think was it show he’s in he’s just uh he’s just a guy he uh no1:22:42what does it show the image The Landing sites what do you see I could just tell you any one of1:22:48those spots is a landing site and what are you going to say I mean you don’t see much do you know what I’m saying1:22:55it doesn’t prove nor disprove uh it’s not clear enough to say what that is1:23:01right it’s not clear I don’t see any objects that look like they’re definitively a lunar rover I don’t see1:23:08anything that makes me think that that’s what that is but it could be because it’s not that clear so it’s not it’s1:23:14neither proof nor it doesn’t prove or disprove those images in my opinion well1:23:20here’s another interesting proof you have Neil Armstrong said he person picked up a particular Rock put it in1:23:26his pocket and saved it for the prime minister of the Netherlands oh yeah that’s a good one who he who he gave to1:23:33right and they put it in a hermetically sealed box yeah the curator saw my film says oh I wonder about that he in the1:23:40middle of the night they they expected no one would open it up he opens it up puts the rock under a microscope and1:23:46it’s petrified wood kind of this Eerie out of the world looking that’s a fact so unless there’re trees growing on1:23:51Earth uh I mean on the moon then it’s a fake in fact there’s a story it says Moon Rock proves to be fake that deal1:23:58armstr picked up and personally delivered but no reporter asks uh so if1:24:04the moon rocks are fake what about the moon mission okay to steal man that you would say what was the chain of custody1:24:12between Neil Armstrong and this uh prime minister he brought it to him he he1:24:17personally gave it to him and he said I picked this up off the surface of the Moon this is the rock I remember it here1:24:25you go they put it in a box that’s not much chain of command to get messed up the thing is like who’s got it after1:24:31that and is it possible someone stole it and swapped it out with another rock that looked like that was [ __ ] it’s1:24:37possible you have to think it’s possible it’s I don’t think it’s possible again I’m with you I don’t think it’s Poss I1:24:43mean it seems highly likely that they gave him a fake Moon Rock but you have to leave the door open to someone who’s1:24:50involved who’s fraudulent who knew there was a moon rock there and some guy said hey man I’ll give you $100,000 another1:24:56interesting point is six weeks before they allegedly going to the moon for the very first time somehow with that1:25:02deadline Von Brun former Nazi takes a leisurely vacation in Antarctica where1:25:09he picks up you know dozens of pounds of lunar meteorites I wonder what they use1:25:15those for let’s explain that too that Antarctica is one of the best places to find meteors uh meteorites because the1:25:21fact that it’s completely white it’s all look Frozen in snow and the meteorites Will Stand Out they’ll stand out in in1:25:28the snow yeah and it hardly ever snows there so there’s not much to cover them up and maybe the orbit being the South1:25:35Pole it’s more prone to lunar meteorites right so it’s very well known that you can get uh meteorites in Antarctica and1:25:43a lot of them they can conclusively prove come from the Moon correct this is all true okay so warer Von braa maybe me1:25:51needed to know what he was looking at when he got those moon rocks back and so he like well we have any on Earth1:25:56well yes sir we do we have some lunar meteorites we can find in Antarctica let’s take a trip didn’t he have a1:26:02broken arm at the time I believe he did there’s one picture of him I right after1:26:07he was captured where his arm is broken and I was just talking oh it’s right after his capture because I thought it1:26:13was in on Artica that he had BR no no no no no it was uh he’s in his Nazi uniform1:26:18and it’s right after he got captured and and brought over an Operation Paperclip I always wonder he broke his arm it’s1:26:25like either he was being sassy during an interrogation or or he got you know1:26:30bombed and you know got pulled out of rubble one of the two could have been he loved Hitler so much he fainted when he1:26:35found out he got uh purple tund Syndrome from doing the salute to many times so1:26:41he was a legitimate Nazi and this is important too because this is a thing that I know a lot of people have denied1:26:46um Operation Paperclip was uh an operation that took place right after the end of World War II where we acquire1:26:54fired a bunch of Nazi scientists that went on to do the Apollo program verer1:26:59Von braa was one of them the Simon weisenthal Center had said while he was alive that if he if if rather if he was1:27:06alive they would prosecute him for crimes against humanity that’s right he was a legitimate Nazi they hung the five1:27:12slowest workers the five slowest Jews in their rocket Factory in Berlin so if you1:27:17walked in you would see the five slowest workers hanging there and this is1:27:23eyewitness from people who were in that rocket Factory this is not disputed1:27:28stuff that he did that and you know you could say he was just a rocket maker he1:27:33had nothing to do with that but he was a Nazi and we and in charge of the not the1:27:39moon faking not just one of them but one he also said before he died he was that the government is planning on Faking an1:27:46alien invasion so the guy who faked the moonlanding he said that he said that1:27:52that the the next the evidence of that that he said that well his secretary says so oh that [ __ ] might be crazy you1:27:59know you never know she might be doing coke making stories up she might be a scammer she seems1:28:05sincere to me she might be trying to he said they’re going to be an asteroid threat next followed by a fake Alien1:28:11Invasion that’s what he said and keep in mind these Apollo Astronauts who spent their whole life lying saying the1:28:17moonlandings are real or also the key people who are saying UFOs are real and so is the key people but Edgar Mitchell1:28:24one of them and Robert Egger made films you know propaganda films to plant the1:28:30seed that UFOs are real and he was at Canon air force base when they faked the moonlanding okay can I assume that then1:28:36by what you’re saying that you don’t think UFOs are real at all no they are real but they’re not from outer space what about the ones that Kenneth Arnold1:28:42saw in the 1950s what about I don’t know about those so this is the first I think UFOs are real but they’re not from outer1:28:48space according to the top two UFO research I have a book coming out hopefully in time of this podcast1:28:54aliens from Planet X that talks about their origin and future appearance and1:29:01they UFOs are real and aliens are real but they’re not from outer space and that’s according to the top two UFO1:29:08researchers after decades long research so go to cell.com and where do they1:29:14they’re not from outer space they’re interdimensional and potentially Fallen Angels disguising themselves because1:29:21they’re Liars of of something like you said can’t be proven or disproven I’m from1:29:27this galaxy 300 light years away this is kind of what Tucker Carlson thinks he he1:29:32thinks there’s a spiritual element to it he thinks they’ve always been here and he thinks that this is what’s kind of documented in the Bible as like good and1:29:39evil and that’s it exactly I mean that’s what’s going on I mean the top two UFO1:29:44researchers said UFOs are real number one number two they’re not from outer space and number three they’re demonic1:29:51and that’s what I talk about the where it talks about Fallen Angels inter breeding with humans as talked about in1:29:57Genesis 6 and creating a race called Nephilim who were men of renowned world1:30:05leaders could you interpret that as when you say interbreeding with humans now1:30:10imagine if what they are is a form of artificial intelligence or I should say1:30:16instead of artificial artificial is a word that it’s got a lot attached to it already maybe digital intelligence or1:30:23human cre intelligence that’s not of biological origin but it is a living thing it’s just living in a different1:30:30kind of way now if that is something that human beings are eventually going1:30:36to we’re going to have some symbiotic relationship with electronic that’s biological you’re seeing it already with1:30:43neuralink you’re seeing how this guy who is paralyzed can now utilize a computer and manipulate everything with his mind1:30:49he can move a cursor around you’re you’re seeing artificial intelligence come to the Forefront where people are1:30:55realizing the power that it has and how quickly it’s developing it’s happening very rapidly within this year it’s kind1:31:01of confusing people when better artificial technology comes along and1:31:06better interfaces come along and we start realizing that the only way that we are going to survive is if we1:31:13integrate isn’t that kind of the same as something coming down and Inter1:31:20breeding with human beings if these things if this is the pro the path of progress this is how it goes in1:31:26intelligent life forms on complicated planets on with when they have complicated technology they develop1:31:33internal combustion engines or some other source of power they start manipulating their environment and they eventually get to the point where they1:31:39can make an artificial life form and that artificial life form is far superior intellectually to the1:31:45biological life form and the only way the biological life form can survive as if it integrates with the artificial1:31:52intelligence and people will start to do it initially and those people will have access to tremendous resources that1:31:58biological people don’t have and it’ll be required just like it’s almost required for everyone to have a cell1:32:03phone everyone’s going to integrate and in case over time what would that look1:32:09like well probably look like aliens it would probably look like some weird sort of creature that’s not really biological1:32:15anymore so it doesn’t have all the flaws of our primate DNA it doesn’t have all the but it does it have a soul like are1:32:23we cre creating a thing without a soul that has a mandate and has like it has1:32:29plans for the universe and for life forms and would that kind of be demonic1:32:34it seems like that’s demonic I mean if you want to be real simple about demons1:32:40you think they live in hell and they got pitchforks and but what is the what kind of force would a demonic force be1:32:46something that would overpower the human race and render it non-existent well wouldn’t one way to do that would be to1:32:53integrate with humans to the point where it makes biological reproduction a thing of the past all reproduction is done1:33:00through either some sort of complicated gene splicing program or life and1:33:06Consciousness gets integrated with technology inextricably so where everybody is some sort of a hybrid1:33:12system well there is a spiritual component including to the moonlanding I1:33:18mean you’ve seen a Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon right it opens up with the Tower of Babel which was built1:33:23simply to boast we have the tallest building and then we show the Titanic that says the ship that God himself1:33:30could not sink and we know what happened there Tower of Babel never finished Titanic never made one voyage and then1:33:37Richard Nixon when he knew they were not on the moon said putting a man on the moon is the greatest event since1:33:43creation itself you see Mankind’s greatest accomplishment you see and the1:33:50world leading country is putting a man on the the moon and how ironic when I popped in that tape of the window shot1:33:58and realized they really did fake the moon landing so that was the first one that really cemented it for me1:34:03absolutely I it just I gave him the benefit of the doubt as long as possible okay I want to go to the flag because1:34:09the flag is a piece of contentious debate the the flag waving1:34:15on the surface of the Moon so the moon has almost no atmosphere correct right1:34:21okay and it has one six or Earth gravity so when you’re watching these people uh1:34:28plant this flag on the Moon the Moon is supposedly it doesn’t have any wind or1:34:35definitely the kind of wind that blows around a flag now the flag had a rod at the top of it and the rod at the top of1:34:42it kept it in place and it kept it stiff so it it stayed horizontal and when you1:34:48watch the video footage the flag is waving around in what looks like a1:34:54breeze and so a lot of people have tried to kind of explain it away and say see1:35:02if you can find a video of the flag itself waving yeah there’s one so here we go so they’re planting the1:35:10flag now you do have to take into consideration that there’s very little1:35:15gravity so it’s one six Earth gravity so things definitely in a one six gravity environment they move differently the1:35:23problem is when the flag gets ultimately planted and then they back away from it1:35:28and no one’s touching it anymore then it seems to like independently be moving in the breeze well it’s my opinion they had1:35:35a lot of air conditioning pumped in there because the backpacks had the cooling units removed so they wouldn’t1:35:41fall over backwards so it was very hot in there and they had lots of air conditioning there’s better footage1:35:46Jamie where you can just see and a Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the moon at sell.com there’s a clip of the flag1:35:52blowing in the wind a couple of times here’s another thing to take into consideration this what you’re looking at is not a direct feed that was offered1:36:00to the news organizations so what this is is a projector that’s projecting a on1:36:06a screen and then the news organizations then point their camera at that screen correct well actually NASA pointed a1:36:13camera at the screen there so they took the footage they put it on a big screen1:36:18you got to understand 1969 projection technology very low resolution looks like this they put a camera on it they1:36:25ran that to a monitor and then they had people film The Monitor right so it it’s1:36:31deliberately fourth generation so they’re intentionally degre the quality1:36:36of the signal the networks wanted a li feed and they gave him fourth generation instead but this is important to know1:36:43like that wasn’t I mean if you can get someone on the moon you can get better footage in terms of Gil Island in terms1:36:51of what we know 5 why didn’t they have color right I mean this is n they let’s1:36:57let’s just say it’s easier to do it in black and white let’s just say that if they did it in black and white there’s no reason why they can’t get a clear1:37:04feed directly to the news organizations and to television there’s no reason to be filming it on a monitor there’s no1:37:11reason to do that well there is to cover up the fact that it’s done in a TV studio but if you can overcome the1:37:17technological hurdles to get people to the Moon you can overcome the technological hurdles hurdles to1:37:24allowing people to have clear access clear footage of what this thing is instead of fourth generation stuff right1:37:30yeah like I said I think if gilan’s Island went from black and white to color in 1965 NASA can afford a color camera on1:37:37the moon after all it is the most technologically advanced event why wouldn’t they want a highresolution1:37:43color camera they didn’t because it might show that it’s a fake scene which it was that’s why they degradated the1:37:49signal by fourth Generations do we have better footage of the flag waving on the moon cuz there’s some there’s some1:37:55footage of it where you’re just like this is weird yeah there’s some and a Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the1:38:00Moon about halfway through they filmed in color the next one on Apollo 12 okay let’s see that one while I was trying to1:38:06find that but just see just just Google flag Blowing in the Wind on the moon1:38:11well if you Google it it may not want to show it so it’s in my movie if you put it on YouTube as a YouTube search it’ll1:38:16show it like which one those are different there’s one Apollo five that’s me this one’s pretty good I1:38:24click on that one Jamie I don’t Apollo 15 no Jamie back where it says no I said1:38:30the one that says Apollo 15 right there that’s it yeah okay so this one this is1:38:36color he plants it it still looks shitty but he plants it1:38:43and let’s get a look at when he gets out of the way you see it moving around so this is it so this thing is kind of just1:38:49waving on its own no one’s even touching it and it looks like it’s waving in a1:38:55breeze it’s so it stops moving and then it starts moving1:39:01again now again there’s footage that shows it even more so than that like an1:39:07astronaut walking past it creating the breeze and then the flag blows without him touching it yeah I’d like to see1:39:14that so how much further does this go Jamie four minute video 3 minute video1:39:20so scoot ahead I think this is actually the one where the guy walk walks by it and then it starts going in the breeze1:39:26here it goes does it show it where he walks by1:39:32there it is it’s it’s back there because you see his image I don’t know where he went right1:39:40there where oh something just went in front of the camera there he is right there okay watch there it is see that1:39:47yeah there so watch that again Jamie so this is the one he hops by and as he hops by the breeze makes the flag blow1:39:53because he’s in an air environment he’s not on the moon right that is a weird one do it again look at this as he hops1:40:00by he doesn’t touch the flag now can I do dev’s Advocate what do you call it steel what Steel Man Okay the reason why1:40:07it’s doing that and really on the moon is because there’s microm meteorites hitting him and they’re bouncing off of1:40:14him and hitting the flag is that a pretty good one is that real no Oh I thought they were trying that I was I1:40:19was trying trying to come up with an excuse as to why the moonlanding are real you like that one that is a good1:40:25one micr Medi Arts will mess you up well actually Von braa we found publications of his mind you my film cost a million1:40:32dollars it was financed by a board member of an aerospace company who builds rockets for NASA who knows it’s1:40:38fake who gave me a million dollars to produce these films as his patriotic duty to expose it we found documentation1:40:46from Von braa that says every 24 hours on the moon there’s a 50% chance of a1:40:53catastrophic deadly error because of decompression from a microm meteorite so1:40:59they were there 3 days they were 150% chance they would have been killed from a microm meteorite grain of sand1:41:06traveling through space at 25,000 mph and he said you would have to immediately go into a cave once you1:41:12landed they never did that he also said in writing in order to go to the moon in1:41:18one rocket he says that cannot happen you need three rockets each Wayne Uh1:41:24each being 10 times the tonnage of the Queen Mary or some 800,000 tons each in order to go to the1:41:31moon and the Saturn 5 was 2,500 tons not1:41:36800,000 tons we have that in writing wait that was from his book right and what year was that uh I think that came1:41:44out uh in 1959 and then he recanted on his math shortly thereafter by 30,0001:41:52per. and now Elon Musk wants to quote Return To The Moon And he says to return1:41:57to the Moon we need to make nine fuel trips first to Ferry the fuel necessary1:42:04to be able to go to the Moon from there that’s exactly what Von Bron said in one of my Clips at cell.com you have to make1:42:11multiple fuel trips to go to the Moon first to a space station and then from1:42:17there you can go Elon must said the same thing but how did they do it with with a1:42:22rocket that contained 13,000 of a percent of the amount of fuel Von Bron1:42:28said it would take one of my favorite one of my favorite uh films is the film of the lunar module leaving the1:42:36moon when when it leaves when then the camera pans and it it looks let’s film1:42:43let’s show it let’s show what what what year was that which which uh I think that was one of the last missions uh and1:42:49I think you’re talking about where the camera perfectly tilt tilts up yeah with1:42:55the little model going up yes and of course with the delay how could you synchronize that of course you couldn’t1:43:01well you could because you know it’s 4 seconds right just like it’s radio waves well but it’ probably be more than that1:43:07going through all the analog equipment right but you could you could time it you could save you could have a 5-second delay so this is it this is it what so1:43:14this is launching off the watch this we and it’s perfectly tilting up with it in real time with the remote control from1:43:21NASA with the radio delay that I suspect would be more like 12 seconds but also because today if you say to someone in1:43:28Atlanta talking to someone in Iraq hey how’s it going one two three hey I’m1:43:34doing fine that’s that’s just on halfway around the world you the the panning is1:43:40interesting but um you could put a timer on it the um the thing looking so goofy1:43:47is so crazy like that that thing is supposed to get off one6 Earth’s gravity and fly like that how1:43:53what’s it doing it looks so [ __ ] fake it looks like it’s being pulled by strings look it might be real I’m1:43:59certainly not an astronaut I don’t know what I’m talking about but when I if I you had a guess if you showed this to me1:44:05and said hey do you think this is real or fake and you didn’t give me any context I’d be like what is this a cheap1:44:12science fiction movie what is this and then here it goes like that’s what that’s leaving a planet how’s it leaving1:44:17is that some new space technology where’s the fire coming out of the bottom of it how’s it doing that1:44:23I mean it just looks fake it might be real it might be one of those things that is real but looks fake all right1:44:30see so then this is where it gets weird cuz it’s not doesn’t say it’s a timer it said somebody in Houston had to anticipate the timing ignition lift off1:44:37which I guess you could have guessed it was going to be in 5 seconds and just lifted the remote control up could he have guessed I have no idea what he was1:44:42using I have to look that up I guess you could guess if you say I’m going to launch also they time in five and so you1:44:49know then you you count 10 cuz he’s going to you know you got you got like a 5-second delay and so when he gets to1:44:56like if he counts down from 10 if he gets to five you hit it well there’s a 3 second delay today halfway around the1:45:03world with modern equipment talking from like Atlanta to Iraq 3 second delay1:45:10could have [ __ ] it up only halfway around the world with modern equipment he has to say it so the guy on the moon1:45:16has to say I’m launching now and he has to wait 5 Seconds it would be at least a 12 second delay I think and possibly1:45:23more than that with the delay itself of the radio light waves they and back plus all that analog equipment but it is not1:45:28impossible to do a 12C delay it’s only 12 seconds if you had a stopwatch and you counted it and you had a far enough1:45:35Vision where you could see the base of the lunar module you could see it detach and then you kind of got it as long as1:45:42you got enough of a field of view in the footage but boy it looks fake it’s it also looks fake in the way it’s moving1:45:48up it’s watch it again Jamie cuz it’s moving up like it’s being pulled by string well it looks fake because it is1:45:55fake but most things that look fake are fake not all of them but the vast1:46:00majority of things that look fake or fake now watch how this pulls up here it goes it detaches it’s1:46:11like what is that now here’s the question did they practice this at all on1:46:16Earth did they practice uh taking off on one of those things or could they I don’t think they did they practice1:46:22Landing but here’s the question they couldn’t right because it wouldn’t have the same amount of thrust on Earth1:46:28because the gravity is so much stronger so that thing wouldn’t have been operational on earth right well they had1:46:33a lunar lander simulator that Neil Armstrong almost got killed in six weeks1:46:38beforeand he couldn’t fly it on Earth in the safety of a tried and true1:46:43environment and that was six weeks right but also again the gravity of Earth is much greater than the gravity of the1:46:49Moon well they took that into account that was supposed to be a simulation of it so more powerful to overcome Earth’s1:46:55gravity in comparison yeah but with so then you’re dealing with a totally different machine and you’re dealing with totally different factors maybe it1:47:02would be easy with one six Earth gravity may be easy like we boom it lands and1:47:08apparently it was but one six I would like to know like how much thrust do you need to get off of the gravity of the1:47:15Moon if it’s one six Earth’s gravity versus what it takes to get off of Earth1:47:20like what are those calculations and how is that amount Force being generated by that thing and is1:47:28it CU that’s a that would be a really good question because if you can’t prove that you could do that like how do you1:47:33do that well this is one reason why NASA destroyed all the schematics all the electronics all the diagrams of the1:47:41equipment because you could later prove that the lunar module see they claim that the lunar module was powering air1:47:49conditioning on a bank of car batteries and compe heated against 250° outside1:47:55and got it down to a comfortable 72 for 3 or 4 days I mean you try that at home1:48:01you know with your car batteries also batteries of T today like my Tesla only goes 350 miles if I drive real slow and1:48:10so they’re they’re saying they powered air conditioning off much more primitive batteries 24 hours 3 or 4 days in a row1:48:18against 250° outside so this is an indirect PR if you really went to the moon and spent1:48:25$200 billion you would never destroy the technology but one of the clips we have1:48:31is them saying that they intentionally destroyed all of the equipment to go to1:48:36the Moon all the diagrams are the hardware all the schematics all the original Telemetry of where the rocket1:48:43was at the time and all the original videotapes Ron Howard’s grandfather1:48:49warned him the moonlandings were fake he didn’t listen he wanted to make an IMAX1:48:54movie he went to NASA said give me all the originals so I can transfer it to HD and project it at 120 ft wide they said1:49:02give us a couple of days and in those days they lost every single original videotape from every single Apollo1:49:09Mission now if you really went to the moon and spent $200 billion the last1:49:14thing you would do is destroy that technology but if you perpetrated a fraud that’s exactly what you would do1:49:21so what is this Jammy I think uh video of them practicing so is this uh Landing1:49:26but landing is that there’s Neil Armstrong it’s the same machine I so this is the one that he was practicing on that he almost died in look at that1:49:34thing wow that’s crazy um there’s also an article I found about how they filmed1:49:39it they tried on Apollo 15 and 16 and failed for different reasons and then they finally got it right on 17 so it1:49:45was a timing thing uh so several second delay here it goes the cameras were very successful capturing the images of1:49:51numerous Eva but while they could be controlled from Houston it was felt that several second delay between Earth and1:49:57the Moon would make capturing the modules Ascent impossible so the plan was to pre-program the camera and hope1:50:02that NASA camera operator in Houston Ed fandel got his timing just right on1:50:07apoll 15 the Tilt mechanism Mal malfunction meaning the camera was never panned upwards and thus the lunar module1:50:13rapidly accelerated upwards and out of the picture on Apollo 16 Mission the astronauts actually parked the Rover in1:50:18the wrong place so while the cameras work perfectly it was too close to the module and again once it lit up the1:50:23engines it accelerated swiftly out of picture happily Apollo 17 got everything right but what is perhaps most1:50:30remarkable about looking back on it was that no one realized the significance of the liftoff at the time persistent1:50:35rumors suggest that NASA had to pay the networks to cover Apollo 17 Mission at all and when final liftoff of humanity1:50:43from the Moon took place it barely raised a mention on that evening’s news reports that’s a really important Point1:50:49too cuz people were really tired of it like they were mad that it was interrupting I dream of Genie I Love1:50:54Lucy oh that’s what it was I Love Lucy yeah well that’s from Wikipedia that continually defends the fake1:51:00moonlandings in fact if you if you type if you type in moonlanding fraud you don’t get anything about the fraud you1:51:06get a thousand videos defending you know the supposed Moon missions now if the1:51:13moon missions are real then anyone who says otherwise is an idiot okay so how1:51:18do they defend if I were going around saying George Washington not the first president it was really Mickey Mouse do1:51:24you think there’d be a thousand videos to reassure people that George Washington was the first president and1:51:30not Mickey Mouse but there’s a thousand videos out there that took tens of thousands hundreds of thousands of hours1:51:37to produce to defend the moonlandings if it’s so obvious they should speak for themselves it has to be continually1:51:44supported because it’s made out of straw that’s why so the um the lunar module1:51:49leaving the surface of the Moon how did they practiced that if was the first1:51:55time they ever pulled that off the first time they ever tried it was that I think they used a simulation but but did they1:52:01do that on the moon well they couldn’t practice they had to do it for the first time they did1:52:07it flawlessly every single time did they have the ability to land something on the moon and have it take off remotely1:52:13did they have that kind of control back then no I don’t think so probably not right so if they1:52:20did if Apollo 11 did happen and they did take off from the that time they did it1:52:25was the first time anybody had ever tried to use one of those things to get off the surface of the Moon worked every1:52:32time flawlessly person in it with a person in it with with two people in it three no two two people in it one person1:52:38in the lunar orbiter 10 landed on 10 were launched into space of those six1:52:43landed by humans onto the moon first two were flown test and low1:52:49earth orbit without a crew that’s Apollo though let’s talk about about the AI Discovery you know about that right but1:52:55hold on before we get going so the first two were in America dress rehearsal for the landing was Apollo 10 and then1:53:01conducted on Apollo 11 and so um is there footage of them trying that thing Apollo 10 no just just having it launch1:53:09on Earth I’d be fascinating to see what it looks like how that thing gets into the air I don’t you know because if they1:53:15were able to make uh a lunar lander that Neil Armstrong got in that thing that looked very different than the ones that1:53:21were on the moon but that thing if he’s doing that to try to overcome the six1:53:26times gravity that Earth has over the moon what does it look like when they’re testing that thing like how much thrust1:53:33does it have and where is the engine where where is the rockets that Propel that thing into space like where do you1:53:39fit those this is my question you know and so how did they explain that away like1:53:45what is the conventional explanation as to how that thing had the amount of1:53:51power that was required to get off of the moon’s gravity get away from the Moon and fly to Earth well how did they1:53:58do it with uh 13,000 of a percent of the fuel that Von BR said they had to why is1:54:04it today to quote Return To The Moon you have to make nine fuel trips to be able to go to the moon and return but somehow1:54:11they did it in one trip I’m looking on YouTube for a video of it but there’s like some people smarter every day1:54:17recreated the lunar lander and tested it successfully see what they did1:54:24um so this is one they did on Earth yeah I mean these guys made it I don’t know if this worked in space obviously1:54:29because they couldn’t get it there but right they made their own and I’m trying to find out how successful it was so you1:54:35certainly could make some well that obviously there’s no person in that right that’s small that’s different1:54:40that’s why I think that video I showed you a second ago of uh the test footage which I don’t know where there some link1:54:47I don’t know where it went okay I’ll find it again but I don’t know again I’m trying to find the official let’s talk1:54:54about the ai’s latest Discovery that’s the latest breaking news okay they had an AI conference in November you know1:55:01they have all these conferences automobile conferences video equipment conferences shoe conferences and they1:55:07had the latest AI conference in November in Moscow and just like at these1:55:13conventions you can try out a car driving around the track that gets 150 m a gallon that somehow never makes the1:55:19market well Google had its most Advan Advanced AI a bunch of AIS hooked up1:55:24together called the neural network and they let people play around with it for1:55:293 days one group had it WR a symphony one group had it WR a novel another1:55:35group tested its deep fake detection program which has never been wrong it1:55:41can tell you in one second of video whether a video of Biden or Trump is real or deep fake it’s never been wrong1:55:48first they fed it pictures from the moon’s surface from the UN manned Chinese probes from a few years ago it1:55:55said they’re real and then they fed it in comparison pictures from the Apollo1:56:02missions and it said absolutely fake for multiple reasons fake background fake1:56:07foreground they even pointed out that one picture was not even a real astronaut it was a miniature of the1:56:13astronaut because the AI detected that the footprints were not the way a human1:56:18normally walked it was they were stamped in there with a miniature and that the entire set wasn’t even real it was a1:56:25miniature of the set so they could show a vast backr where AI conclusion where someone see that go to cell.com I wrote1:56:32an article about it and there’s a video of it of Putin himself being shown the results that the latest AI says the moon1:56:41landings are fake and then when I tried to track down the original article it1:56:46warned you if you click to proceed all the data on your computer will be stolen and you’ll be associ iated with child1:56:53pornography that’s it says that I have go to.com there’s a clip of it I did a screenshot it says that that’s how1:57:00desperate they are because the latest AI says the moon landings are fake you1:57:06think that story is on RT their president was there it’s nowhere to be found does the latest AI look at that1:57:12Apollo 17 lunar module taken off well I don’t know that they showed it that footage but they showed it still1:57:18pictures from the Apollo Mission and they showed it still pictures from the surface of the Moon from the unmanned1:57:24Chinese probes it said the Chinese probe pictures are real the Apollo pictures are fake the smartest a on the real in1:57:31the world with a deep fake detection program that’s never been wrong how is1:57:37that not public how is that not major news exactly right why is it that Fox1:57:42News cancels their number one program if they’re in the business to make money1:57:47you know we had the former director of the Russian space agency a little over a year ago he said the moon missions were1:57:56fake Fox News calls me up the next day they said Bart we want to do an hourong1:58:02special about whether the moonlandings are real or not and we just want to be honest with you we haven’t read your1:58:08book we haven’t seen your film and irregardless of what’s in there we will1:58:13conclude that the moon missions are real the point is to reassure the public and then during that hourlong program which1:58:20I saw after the fact they had a quote from one scientist in1:58:251969 that said congratulations and therefore they said see the Russians think it’s real and I’m like well what1:58:33about the former director of the Russian Space Program who said six weeks ago1:58:39that it was fake they deliberately don’t mention that you think RT is who said it was fake which guy well the former1:58:46director of the Russian space agency who is he his name is Dimitri razen1:58:53and he said that the Apollo missions are fake and Fox News calls me up they had1:59:00to put out that fire you see that and they said we will conclude without1:59:05investigating it without reading your book and even if your book and movie proved that it was fake we’re still1:59:11going to conclude that it was real of course it’s Fox and then your network well yeah and then are they really1:59:17anti-corruption no they’re not and there it is right there it doesn’t say Google1:59:22though it’s just is uh it’s the neural network thinks almost everything in this photo is fake meanwhile it back up back1:59:29it up again it’s the neural network thinks almost everything in this photo is fake and that’s the Moonlighting1:59:34thing so meanwhile raises no particular questions about this photo taken by a Chinese1:59:41lunar rover so this is someone explaining this to Putin and they’re looking at it it believes this one is1:59:46fake he’s pointing to the Apollo yes look at the red this is what Google’s neural network thinks not ours so there1:59:52will be no bias it’s surprising but it does believe so the neural network has analyzed a lot1:59:59of data including light and dark contrast Etc and then it believes the photo is2:00:07synthetic very interesting now he’s not surprised so he knows already that it’s fake let me tell you something Joe I2:00:14know somebody who works for the Chinese space agency okay I just did an interview with2:00:20him for my YouTube channel and he says everybody there knows that the Apollo missions are fake so why2:00:26don’t they like publicly broadcast that let me tell you exactly why he says they’re blackmailing NASA NASA is giving2:00:33them illegally according to the Own federal law secret space technology in2:00:39exchange for China not blowing the whistle and that’s the alleged reason why it must be real the Russians would2:00:46have found out and the Chinese would have found out and they would have blown the whistle that’s just not true let’s say I had a picture of a leader with a2:00:52prostitute I could upload it to the internet and take them down and then that would be it or I could blackmail2:00:59them year after year after year and that’s what I have a source in the command center of the space station at2:01:06at China China space agency he says they know everyone knows it’s fake they’re2:01:11blackmailing NASA for technology so the federal government is violating their own Espionage Act you see that Russia2:01:19knows the guy’s not surprised at all in fact my interpretation of his emotion2:01:25he’s afraid he looks afraid that the truth is going to come out now you see2:01:32and then RT doesn’t cover that story they don’t cover it and I saw another AI2:01:37story on RT so I went in the comment section and I’ve left I leave about two or three comments a year in there I’ve2:01:43never had one taken down in three or four or five years I leave a comment hey guys why didn’t you cover that the2:01:51latest day where Putin was there says that the moon missions are fake they took down the2:01:56comment they’re they’re they won’t let you go to the original link you see Fox2:02:02News is covering up for the federal government you see it’s a great embarrassment I showed that footage that2:02:09we talked about for quite a while to a news director at NBC he practically2:02:14fainted he says it absolutely proves they didn’t go to the Moon I said when2:02:19are you going to broadcast it he thought he says I can’t I don’t want to go down in history as2:02:24the man who caused the next civil war he says this will outrage the public 10 years later a new director at NBC News2:02:32sees the footage they say it proves we didn’t go to the Moon they fly me to New York they put me up in the Walo Storia2:02:38Hotel they pay me thousands of dollars for the exclusive license to that footage and they said Bart I’m sorry to2:02:45tell you this you can keep the money but we’re going to have to cancel the program I’m like well why is that he says well we got a call for from someone2:02:52in the federal government threatening us and we backed down huh you see so people2:02:59see that footage it convinced me and I was a big moon fan you know pride is a2:03:04thing here’s something I wanted to say I talked to a a guy who teaches Aerospace at a major university and he said even2:03:12if he saw Buzz Aldren confess on national TV that the moon missions were2:03:17fake he would still think they’re real pride is simp L the unwillingness to be2:03:24wrong and humility is the willingness to be wrong I was willing to be wrong it is2:03:31what it is they did fake the moonlanding our government is that corrupt okay2:03:36let’s let’s go over some other stuff um one thing I wanted to go over is the photographs and the Shadows that are2:03:42moving at different angles because this has been disputed and this has been refuted by some people that are2:03:48photographic experts they’ve looked at this and said this is actually Poss possible to get these kind of different2:03:54angles even with natural sunlight um it’s debatable though so let’s let’s2:03:59talk about it okay so here we have on the right hand side a picture taken from the alleged last mission to the Moon2:04:05you’ll see on the left hand side is sunlight try it yourself go go out in your front yard or your parking lot at2:04:12work on a cloudless day two people two telephone poles two trees they will always run parallel they will never2:04:19intersect it’s impossible for some sunlight Shadows to intersect over here on the right they claimed was taken in2:04:26sunlight after all there’s no atmosphere it’s 20 times brighter on the moon than on Earth the last thing you need is an2:04:32electrical light and the astronaut Shadow is going at 12:00 and a rock 5 ft2:04:38away the Shadows going at 9:00 a 90° intersection proving that that was taken2:04:44with an electrical light that’s really close and it’s probably behind the astronaut and if you go to the right of2:04:51it it’s going to throw the angle off that proves it in a court of law take a jury out they’ll see the picture on the2:04:58left break turn out the lights in the courtroom bring in a spotlight and you will prove in a court of law that that2:05:04picture was taken with an electrical light which proves they are on earth and not on the moon now what is the2:05:11conventional explanation as to why these Shadows move in different directions when when people try to debunk it and2:05:17I’m sure you’ve seen them try to debunk it what is their take on it I’ve never heard it debunked to tell you the truth2:05:23they they’ve ignored it in fact the reporter from National what was it mechanical2:05:29magazine Popular Mechanics interviewed me and they said I can’t I can’t explain2:05:34that I talked to the Washington post about the footage we showed he was doing a story about isn’t it interesting on2:05:41the 30th Anniversary some people doubt the moonlanding and I said well what about that footage and he says well it2:05:47looks to me like they didn’t go to the moon and I said well why don’t you you do a story about that he says if I did2:05:54that I would be fired that’s the Washington Post okay um2:06:00Jamie what are your thoughts just out of the gate yeah looking at this photo I go2:06:06Sun’s behind them well what about the the one side by side what’s your opion of that one Jamie this photo is not as2:06:12interesting but that this is okay that’s bigger that’s one um go to the side by2:06:17side one what’s your opinion of that sunlight on the left elect Lighting on the right why why does it have to be2:06:23electrical lighting there’s lots of things that make light sure well let’s take a look at the image Jim I’m trying to pull it back up but that’s there my2:06:30book which is interactive have 17 Clips one of the clips if you want to find it is National Geographic did a special2:06:38just to refute my film and what they did was and you can find that clip it’s under sell.com moonm video clips and2:06:47they go to a desert at night they dress up an actor in an astronaut costume they2:06:53bring out a spotlight and they have people stand next to the astronaut and the A and the Shadows intersect and you2:07:00know what they say Joe they say that proves that the moon missions are real and I said well wait a minute it proves2:07:07that they were taken by electrical light why didn’t you go out to a desert during the day during sunlight you see they2:07:14brought in a spotlight the shadows diverged and they said it proves that the moon landings are real that’s a2:07:20light that’s a close source course right yeah but my point is what they actually did is they proved that the moon2:07:26missions were taking with an electrical light if you take day it’s going to be brighter everywhere what’s that if you2:07:31take photos in the desert during the day the entire sky is bright you have to block out a lot of light well it doesn’t matter the Shadows the Shadows are still2:07:38going to run parallel it doesn’t matter it doesn’t matter cuz that’s what that’s what I was trying to get up before I got cut off is that from this photo here2:07:45which is very similar to the other photo it looks like the sun is probably behind it that’s probably the brightest source2:07:51that they have around them mhm you’ve already admitted that that without adding extra laser reflectors that the2:07:57moon surface is reflective so there’s going to be reflection off of that and2:08:03you’re going to probably have the Earth which is also now a second source of light coming from a different angle that2:08:09the sun is to create potentially without knowing exactly everything because I’m not the math scientist to know where the2:08:15sun is or the the Sun and Earth are at this particular time of day they could create different Shadows well not really2:08:22because the sun why why not well I’ll tell you why because the sun is a million times bigger in volume than the2:08:28earth and that would be like on a bright sunny day at noon shining a flashlight2:08:33on the ground do you think you’re going to see I can take pictures in here with multiple light sources though and they’re going to look different jie the2:08:40difference in the amount of light that gets emitted by the earth and the amount of light that gets emitted by the sun is2:08:45substantial 100 that would be that would be like shining a flashlight on the ground at High Noon on a cloud St you’re2:08:51not going to see the beam of the sunlight the thing is and the surface and the surface take it from a filmmaker2:08:57that’s called reflective light it’s G to it’s not going to cast a distinctive Shadow yes but here’s my point it it’s2:09:04still that rock on the the upper right hand corner even if it was getting light from the earth that made that shadow2:09:11that underneath it to the left that goes in the wrong direction you would still get the same kind of shadow that you get2:09:17off the astronaut behind the rock there’s no reason why that would blast out that shadow that shadow would be2:09:25significantly stronger all right that’s why would this is the reason I wanted to go with the different photo because2:09:30that’s the one he sent and has other stuff on it I wanted to try a different photo well this one is not nearly as2:09:36convincing it just has it has Shadows going in different directions all over the place well that’s because it’s taken2:09:41with an electrical light well it does seem it does seem that they’re going in different directions it’s from Apollo 112:09:47right well Apollo 11 they’re saying was taken with electrical light jamming what are you saying no he’s saying it’s from electrical light my point here right now2:09:54look the sunlight behind the guy’s head right over here on the left Shadow coming to the right over here on the2:10:00right who says it’s sunlight Jamie but Jamie if you had electrical lightlight2:10:07the Shadows would be parallel that you’re actually proving it’s an electrical light because sunlight is2:10:12parallel yeah it’s all right stop but no but hold on Jamie don’t stop well you guys are fighting against the things2:10:18that I’m saying as a photographer as a filmmaker and like we’re not you’re assuming you’re assuming it’s sunlight I2:10:25said it could be four different lights it also could be the reflector of the actual lunar lander that thing is made of giant shiny metal that has also light2:10:31reflecting in multiple ways where is the where is the lunar lander though maybe2:10:36we don’t know where all the light sources are I wasn’t there right that’s part of the problem with analyzing each2:10:43individual short little photograph like this but if I’m looking at this I see2:10:48one very distinct Shadow that’s coming from the one in the bottom right there that shows Shadows at two different2:10:55angles that’s kind of crazy that means an electrical light that’s what it means well why because I just showed you what2:11:01a picture looked like why have to be an electrical light there’s lots of light sources it’s true well it’s true but2:11:06there’s also a hot spot they e they either filmed it on the moon or they filmed it on Earth and that’s where if2:11:13it’s on the moon the Shadows are parallel in sunlight if the Shadows intersect it’s an electrical light which2:11:19means they’re actually on Earth trying to fake it out so what you’re saying is that if if it’s electrical light it’s2:11:26more than one source of light that they have like suspended and so these are going to cast light in different2:11:32directions and it’s going to create Shadows that come at different angles as opposed to the enormous sun which bathes2:11:39everything in a fairly even distribution of light yeah if there’s two light sources like two electrical lights they’2:11:44run in different directions or if there’s one light because it’s close the sun is 93 million miles away that2:11:51electrical light is probably like 10 fet away so if you’re behind it it’s going to cast a shadow or in front of it it’s2:11:58going to cast a shadow straight ahead and if you’re to the side of it it’s going to cast an angle in a the light in2:12:04a different angle and the shadow in a different angle and okay and so this one is just normal I mean look at this2:12:10picture on the right this is the most famous picture get the original off of eBay they’ve color corrected this the2:12:17soil and the original picture around his feet is car Brown look at the pictures2:12:23from the Chinese probes that the AI said was real it was a caramel brown color2:12:29and they had the background grayish blue and they said oops we can see the fake2:12:34background too easily so they color corrected them go to eBay go to your library find a publication from 1970 and2:12:42you’ll see and all them lunar pictures the originals from there’s one there there’s the brown one there go back2:12:49there were there was one picture of the original print of the soil being brown right there that’s the color all that2:12:56set of pictures that I had those 20 pictures I got from my dad all of them had the soil that color including the2:13:03famous one of Buzz Aldren right they all had a caramel brown and in the Chinese2:13:09probes the soil is caramel brown cuz that’s the color it really is color corrected them but if you landed um a a2:13:17probe in you know the the desert in California versus you landed a probe in2:13:23the middle of Austin rainy season you’re going to get different ground different color ground right wouldn’t we assume2:13:29that the moon when we look at the Moon there’s a bunch of different shades of the moon right that’s the Man in the Moon there’s like you could and all the2:13:37of pictures and the original prints they’re all the same shade because they’re in that spot where it’s that2:13:42color but you have to see there’s a before and after of that same picture okay that I want to say the original2:13:47picture well you have to find it on eBay or whatever the original picture think it’s online uh it could be but I don’t2:13:53you’d have to go to eBay and type in Apollo 11 phot everybody knows eBay is the most trusted source of information2:13:59there’s no way what we need is the original prints that came out in 1969 Jam exist Jamie will find it and those2:14:06the soil is brown and yet in this most recent picture they’ve color corrected it now why do you think they did that2:14:12why do you think they because the soil was brown and the background was grayish blue and they didn’t match and you could2:14:19see the fake backdrop so much easier now there’s another point of contention that the same background was used in2:14:26different photographs that were supposed to be nowhere near each other that’s true that is true okay and what are the2:14:32what’s the uh instances of that that you could show well I don’t have them queued up but that proves that they’re how do2:14:38you not have those you must know what they are though right well I’ve seen I’ve seen them before other people have2:14:43put them in films and it’s true that they claim they’re in two different locations but the backgrounds line up2:14:49exactly right top of one another so yeah it’s it’s supposedly many miles apart but yet the backgrounds look the same2:14:56yeah the AI said the picture they had of an astronaut on this vast background was2:15:02a miniature it wasn’t even a real astronaut yeah I want to see more of2:15:07that um and that was was it actually Google’s AI that did that it was it was Google’s neural network H and the most2:15:15Advan so either Google spent billions of dollars and 10 years or more developed2:15:21being this AI that ended up being a piece of junk or the moon landings were2:15:26fake you see which do you think is true well or the photographs are fake this brings me back to the thing that I was2:15:33saying earlier that if they did look the hassle bad cameras that they use to2:15:39photograph things in the moon one of the things that people would always say is oh they were special cameras they were2:15:44different they protected against radiation they did a bunch of things they they were they could operate under the incredible temperature of the moon2:15:52but they were the same cameras right they weren’t really special cameras right someone sent me a link recently2:15:59they have according to Eugene cernon he left a picture a family picture there on the surface of the Moon2:16:07and he took a picture of the photograph that he left on the surface of the Moon and then someone said okay at what2:16:13temperature does photographic print paper Kodak paper from that time you2:16:18know at what temperatures it destroyed it was something like 145° well that’s it’s 100° hotter than2:16:26that on the moon and the picture looks perfectly fine but how long does it take before the the image oh it’s to be immed2:16:32immediately immediately yeah and so the AI said that and then it says okay well2:16:37is this a picture of Kodak film on the moon you know it says yes it’s supposed to be but how can it be there just2:16:45leisurely laying around when it’s 100° hotter than what it would cause it to2:16:50destroy it what was different about the cameras that were used in the Moon and what protection was in place supposedly2:16:56to protect them from radiation and and temperature nothing when my film came out and that’s about the time that you2:17:02and I met for the first time here it goes Hasselblad Hasselblad Engineers gave it a coat of heat resistant2:17:08aluminum paint and removed the mirror and focus screen to save weight and allow the camera to be operated close to2:17:13the head as opposed to the waist excuse me to Aid in the photo composition they attached a bracket used for mounting2:17:20camera accessories called a cold shoe to the side it also held the astronaut’s checklist while they were on the lunar2:17:27surface inside the camera highly precise Motors allowed astronauts to scroll through a roll of film without using a2:17:33hard crank rise knew that recreating the perfect replica of the Apollo 112:17:38Hasselblad camera was going to be more difficult simply because there wasn’t much accurate information available about it so that’s getting more into2:17:44this Recreation of the camera right that okay well the most significant part about this when my film came out Fox was2:17:52going to air it as is and right beforehand their lawyers freaked out and said well we didn’t show the other side2:17:58of the story it’s my argument with you during the break we’ve heard their side of the story for decades we don’t need2:18:04equal time give us equal time first well wait a minute let me say so they made a2:18:10special where they interviewed me it was conspiracy theory did we go to the Moon aired three times by popular demand one2:18:17of one of the most convincing Parts is they interview the representative from hosel blad cameras they show him a2:18:24picture of allegedly a guy on the surface of the Moon in sunlight and he’s embarrassed he says I I I don’t know why2:18:31it looks like that looks like he’s standing under an electrical Spotlight to me and it’s also because the hot spot2:18:37right that’s created by Spotlight that’s right so the guy who made the camera says that pretty much that the pictures2:18:43are fake he doesn’t know why it looks like an electrical light is lighting him not the Sun and again that could be2:18:51because it was almost impossible to recreate those photos to create those photos well they showed simulations so2:18:58many times during the 1969 television pictures you know they didn’t have that2:19:04much actual footage I don’t think they would have a problem saying well we just you know destroyed the the pictures all2:19:11we have is a TV image I’m sorry really really crazy they destroyed all the original footage if if I really went to2:19:18the moon or I was in charge of a mission that really went to the moon and someone said well we got to put in fake pictures2:19:24like no way because people are already saying the moon missions are fake I would never allow fake footage to be2:19:32shown in a real Mission it if they really went it would jeopardize The2:19:38credibility of it they would never do it if you had a say but also you have to take into consideration that people that2:19:44back then there was no VCRs they would air this once and in their mind that would be it no one anticipated VCRs no2:19:52one anticipated DVDs and certainly no one anticipated the internet no one anticipated a podcast no one anticipated2:20:00YouTube videos no one anticipated someone being able to analyze and look at these things no one anticipated AI2:20:06being able to look at the images and determine that they were fake I haven’t heard your Devil’s Advocate excuse yet Joe for why they intentionally destroyed2:20:14a $200 billion investment that doesn’t make any sense to me it doesn’t make any sense to me why they would destroy the2:20:19footage it doesn’t make any sense to me why they would not have the Telemetry data it doesn’t make any sense to me I2:20:25can’t think of a reason why other than gross incompetence which no they said they intentionally destroyed it not2:20:32accidentally I mean if there if there was any technology you might intentionally destroy maybe the atomic2:20:38bomb after World War II let’s we used it to end the war now let’s just destroy it all can’t do that because then other2:20:44people can to have it well the point is but I see what you’re saying I see what you’re saying 10 years later it’s a thousand times more powerful2:20:51right why would they destroy that technology unless they’re covering their tracks of a fraud now one of the things2:20:58about this is that this subject is connected instantaneously with2:21:03idiocy if you believe the moonlandings are fake you are a [ __ ] and it’s2:21:08something that is pushed heavily especially by people that only have a a2:21:14cursory understanding of the moon landing itself and their argument is it would actually be more difficult to fake2:21:21the moon landing than it would be to actually go well that’s not true the was the film The Martian shot on location in2:21:27Mars well that was much later well but the point the point is you know what I’m saying when 1969 technology that that2:21:34saying oxom Razer that the simplest aam’s Razer is the simplest explanation is true is true but they’ve got it2:21:41backwards the film The Martian wasn’t shot on location on Mars it was done in a TV studio it’s easier to fake a moon2:21:50Miss than there is to go to the Moon obviously and yet they’re so desperate2:21:56to say that the moon landings are real they say it upside down they say it’s easier to go than to fake something well2:22:02they say it’s easier to go than to fake it and keep it secret all these years but they did only a handful of people2:22:09knew the truth right the guy in the command center can’t tell the difference between a real flight and a fake one right2:22:17there’s only three eyewitnesses and no independent press coverage they have complete control everything2:22:23compartmentalized yeah so they did fake it we have the fact that you can’t have2:22:29a thousand times greater technology in the past than in the future right we have the footage of them faking being2:22:36halfway to the Moon we have shadows intersecting at 90 degrees which can only be done with an electrical light2:22:41and we have an eyewitness of Cyrus Eugene acres and then there’s another clip I think it’s clip seven Jamie I2:22:48interviewed Edgar Mitchell in his house for my second follow-up film astronauts gone wild I showed him the fake footage2:22:55that we just looked at he turned beat red got mad where did you get this get out of my house started cursing at me2:23:02kicked me from behind and in the commotion we left a highquality wireless2:23:08microphone on him and in the commotion my camera operator forgot to hit stop record so while the camera is in the2:23:15back seat of the rental car in the guy’s driveway he’s in his house with the door2:23:21closed and we’re recording his private conversation with his son and you’ll2:23:27hear them say do you want to call the CIA and have him whacked they’re talking2:23:34about me now if they really went to the moon and I’m some idiot who thinks it2:23:39was done in a TV studio why would they care why would the CIA care and why2:23:45would a civilian Apollo astronaut have the CIA in his Rolodex do you see that’s2:23:51indirect proof that they didn’t go to the Moon because why would they be talking about having me killed by the2:23:56CIA if they really went and I’m some silly person who thinks they faked it you see let’s hear that you have that2:24:03recording yeah it’s I gave him the time code there okay and then so my book goes2:24:08into all these things that are not in the film have so here’s you climbing into the car2:24:15see you later in court I hope2:24:20call the CIA have him whed and there it is so that’s the son son saying that2:24:26that’s right okay how old is his son at the time well he was about I guess 232:24:31years old okay but but 23 year olds are [ __ ] well you get a 23y old kid they’re they’re dumbass they’re mad2:24:38their dad just got punked you know the whole thing’s happening your dad kicks this guy [ __ ] this guy you want to call2:24:43the CIA have wh I don’t know if you read the book one chapter is called a Funny Thing Happened on the Way to CNN okay I2:24:50found that tape of them faking part of the moon mission in my home studio and2:24:56and just quietly wept oh my gosh they really did fake it I freaked out I’m like oh my gosh I have proof that the2:25:03moonlandings are fake in my house with a blind roommate and a toddler son I’m panicking I call it Bill casing I’m like2:25:10Bill you’re not going to believe what I found they really didn’t go to the Moon they really didn’t go to the moon and he’s like well Bart I told you I’m like2:25:17no you don’t understand they really didn’t go he’s like well Bart part I told you and as I’m telling him about2:25:22the footage it’s interrupted by this Screech I can’t hear him he can’t hear2:25:28me I go to church that night to get advice from the elders what to do they say drive like a bat out of hell to CNN2:25:35I already made a copy of it and put it in safe houses as I’m leaving church one of the last cars late at night a van2:25:43backed into a swimming pool that had been closed for 3 hours since Sundown pulls out immediately when I go by I’m2:25:49like guy was waiting for me I pull over to the side of the road I said I’m not going anywhere until this guy’s in front2:25:56of me I got all night finally he realizes he he got caught he passes me I2:26:01follow him know the enemy he gets on the parkway going toward town I get in the2:26:06parkway going toward town I’m like I want to see this guy who is this guy waiting to follow me the day I find the2:26:13secret footage I look at him in the eye he looks like a great white shark who would kill me and go home and have a2:26:19great dinner not think about me tomorrow and as soon as we connect my car shuts off the electrical engine everything2:26:26shuts off he meets up with another what year is this this is 1999 what kind of2:26:31car do you have at the time I had a Toyota van uh and he meets up with2:26:36another car on the other side they start literally looping around as I’m running from side to side being chased by these2:26:42people I flag down a cab who takes me to CNN in Atlanta where I have a friend who2:26:49works there and I’m literally trying to give them the tape through the back door2:26:55this is all in my book maybe it’ll make a great movie someday and I’m abducted2:27:00by government agents in an unmarked white van who handcuff me and I can hear2:27:06them behind me say well where’s the thing I thought you had the thing oh he’s got the thing they’re all wearing2:27:11rubber gloves they put something on my wrist that looks like something you get2:27:17when you go into a hospital and within 1 minute I feel like I’m on LSD to the2:27:22point where I’m throwing up that’s what the thing was you see they put me in a van they start interrogating me I2:27:29escaped their custody how’d you do that well you got to read the book it’s a long story I make my way back to2:27:36Nashville I pee in a cup I say I got him I’m going to show my news director at2:27:42NBC that I’ve been drugged by this exotic true serem because I told them everything they wanted to know you don’t2:27:48have to waterboard anybody okay and I take it to a lab I give it to a friend2:27:53to put in the lab in his name right cuz I don’t trying to out with the CIA right right I check back with him a few days2:28:00later he says Bart well there was a problem at the lab and I’m like well what problem he says well they had a2:28:05breaking over the weekend and I’m like yeah so what he says well funny thing the only thing stolen was a urine sample2:28:13and the people at the lab are like we don’t know who you are but take your business elsewhere and so all of this2:28:20this is in my book never talked about it before because I’m already trying to convince people of this very difficult2:28:27truth they really did fake the moonlanding and how do you know these folks that abducted you were government agents well they’re the ones who2:28:35monitored my phones who followed me from church who followed me to CNN who stopped me from getting the tape there2:28:41who drugged me with something so severe I’m throwing up and hallucinating and2:28:47then they’re so afraid that I’m going to proved that I was drugged they break into the lab you know in the middle of2:28:54the night and take only thing stolen was my urine sample gone the next day after2:28:59again what year was this that was 1999 I’m going to stee sorry allergies um a truth you’re2:29:08allergic to truth no I’m allergic to whatever’s in the air in Austin we were talking about it before2:29:13the show that I made ton of people that have allergies alala tablets help me out a lot got to take like four or five a2:29:19day okay um so this is 1999 and this is when2:29:25you first get a hold of that footage that we watched earlier and um did they ask you where you got it what do you2:29:32remember anything that they asked you I remember like the first two questions I was really concerned about the safety of2:29:37my son I always think what would I do if I were them right and so I was concerned2:29:44they would kidnap him and say you know we’ll we’ll give you him if you give us the tape right so very very first2:29:50question out of their mouth I remember where’s your son very first question can you imagine that and then the next2:29:58question something about copies of the tape and I don’t even remember it’s a blur MH and I’m you know I’m literally2:30:05in the middle of the night running away from these people X Files type of things that you know will make a movie someday2:30:11about and just unreal what I went through and they really did go they’re2:30:18still keeping up with it you got to remember what’s his name Ralph nater he wrote that book was it deadly at any2:30:24speed and all all it was is GM simply didn’t want to spend $200 per car to put2:30:30in an airbag so you know what they did when Ralph nater was trying to get them to put they they s FBI agents on him to2:30:38Hound him to ENT trap him with prostitutes and drugs to discredit him only to not put $200 airbags in car2:30:46imagine the harassment to a reporter who had proof that they faked the moon2:30:52landing and now in my book that just came out we have an eyewitness who says2:30:57he saw them fake the moon landing at Canon air force base and even admitted2:31:02to killing a coworker to cover it up okay let’s let’s go over some of the things that people would say to try to2:31:09debunk some of these claims and let’s go over specifically the Van Allen radiation belts so what is the uh2:31:16explanation the official explanation as to how the astronauts were able to get through the Van Allen radiation belt2:31:23safely because I know that people have disputed this and it is something that people talk about all the time because2:31:28it’s the number one thing that people say well they they’re contradicting themselves because we just showed Kelly2:31:34Smith who said the field of radiation is dangerous that we need to develop2:31:40shielding before we send people through this region of space so the shielding to2:31:45send people through it so they don’t die has not been invented as a 2014 also2:31:51could have meant the shielding for the instruments so they don’t no he said people we must develop this technology2:31:56before we send people through I was agreeing with that but like so the instruments don’t break so that the ship2:32:01doesn’t die which will then harm the people right but that that was what we were talking about earlier that but2:32:07regardless regardless he says the technology to do that has not been2:32:12invented yet think we found that out that in the full quote he said that they had it for the no he says we must first2:32:20solve these challenges before we send people through this region of space so2:32:25the challenges have not been solved as of 2014 so how could they have been solved in 1969 well the idea is that2:32:33they they did solve them and then that technology was lost and they have to recreate it and they haven’t done that2:32:38yet really they invented the automobile and threw it in the ocean and now they’re having to reinvent the2:32:43automobile I’m just like I said I’m just Devil’s Advocate but the point is that doesn’t make any sense doesn’t make a2:32:49lot of sense no no it doesn’t make a lot of sense that they Destro you said you were going to share your opinion about2:32:54what you think about it what do you think well there’s no way I know right we’re all speculating there’s no way I2:33:01know but all this [ __ ] looks very suspicious like mostly suspicious like2:33:09not a lot of it makes sense just logically if you look at the Timeline2:33:14between 1969 and 2024 and the amount of progress that has taken place2:33:20in actual outside of Earth’s orbit space travel it’s non-existent by human beings another2:33:28question is did they ever manage to get anything alive through the van Island radiation belts and have it come back to2:33:34earth before they tried it out with people did they do it with a monkey did they do it with a chicken did they send anything into space and have it come2:33:40back alive not officially they may have done an unofficially and not reported it because the outcome was not good right2:33:48um when they did operations starfish Prime and they blew that thing up didn’t it make the van Island varation belts2:33:54worse in that spot that’s what I heard that it that it added to the radiation there here it says some people believe2:34:01that the Apollo Moon missions were a hoax because astronauts would have been instantly killed in the radiation belts according to the US occupational safety2:34:08and health agency OSHA a lethal radiation dosage is 300 RADS in one hour2:34:15what is your answer to the moonlanding hoax Believers okay total dosage for the trip is only 16 rad in 68.1 minutes2:34:23because 68.1 minutes is equal to 1.13 hours his is equal to dosage of 16 rad2:34:30in 1.13 hours equals 14 rad in 1 hour which is below the 300 RADS in 1 hour2:34:37that is considered to be lethal also this radiation exposure would be for an astronaut outside the spacecraft during2:34:44the transit through the belts the radiation shielding inside the spacecraft cuts down the 14 RADS per2:34:50hour exposure so that it’s completely harmless well I have a clip at cell.com2:34:57where they talk about it’s a show from the 1950s where they sent up probes with Geer counters and they say it’s 1002:35:04times a lethal dose it broke the geiger counter because it vibrated so much again again these numbers of the amount2:35:11of radiation in the vanon and radiation belts are from the people who faked the moonlanding mhm so what kind of proof is2:35:17that so this is their saying the total dosage for the trip was only 16 rad that’s correct how do we know that2:35:24because that because the people who faked the moonlanding said so what is the um source of this NASA NASA how what2:35:31what I’d find another source if you’d like of what the vanal and radiation yeah let’s do that let’s find out Source2:35:38that’s how would you yeah that’s a good question no one else why don’t you Google how lethal2:35:44are there’s a CLI there’s a clip from my book try another one try another article I’m just saying I don’t know I’m2:35:49supposed to looking for because deadly Van Allen is the only one that’s been there really right right there there’s a2:35:55clip from my book at cell.com that has a scientist showing the radiation levels2:36:01and talking about how it’s a barrier between deep space travel he say so now what is causing that radiation well this2:36:09magnetic field of the Earth causes this magnetic area which collects over2:36:14however old the Earth is all those years radiation that goes nowhere so it keeps2:36:20getting bigger and bigger and bigger it also Shields us from cosmic and solar and Galactic radiation and from people2:36:26not getting cancer so it you have to have it to have life on Earth but2:36:31paradoxically it also prevents you from leaving the Earth so it says the numbers along the horizontal axis give the2:36:38distance from Earth in multiples of the Earth’s radius the inner Van Allen ra uh2:36:44Van Allen Belt is located at about 1.6 re the outer Van Allen belt is located2:36:50at about 4.0 uh the distance of 2.2 there’s a gap region between these belts satellites2:36:56such as the global positioning system orbit in this Gap region where the radiation effects are minimum so there’s2:37:03a gap in between the two belts and says the International Space Station and space shuttle on this scale orbit very2:37:09near the edge of the Blue Earth disc in the figure so or well below the vanile2:37:14radiation belts so most of the space stations space shuttle travel all that stuff is in that area well it’s below2:37:21they’re at 250 Mi the radiation begins at 1,000 mil right I think in 1996 the2:37:27space shuttle went up to 365 miles one of its highest altitudes CNN reported2:37:33this word for word the radiation belt surrounding the earth is more dangerous2:37:38than previously believed so how is it that astronaut 600 miles away from it2:37:45know more about it than astronauts that allegedly went through it to the moon in back you see that that’s not possible we2:37:52have article after article that says that the radiation belts are an obstacle to going to the Moon we have George Bush2:37:59Jr saying we’re going to return to the Moon in 10 years of course he said that 20 years ago and he says but first we2:38:08need to learn how to protect the astronauts from radiation uh why not do it the way that2:38:15worked so well on the Apollo missions so what kind of protection and would how2:38:20thick was the aluminum shielding 1/8 of an inch 1/8 of an inch and was there anything a coating on the inside of it2:38:27that protected them further no just 1/8 of an inch of aluminum and how much protection would 1/8 of Alum inch of2:38:34aluminum provide well half as much as a dental x-ray uh you know lead vest or or2:38:41or less than that but they would experience much more radiation than that that’s right now if this is saying that2:38:48it’s well below the lethal threshold is there any thing that disputes that is2:38:53there anything that you can point to that shows that the van radiation belts are significantly more powerful than what they’re saying like this article2:39:00that you said was from CNN from the 365 mile uh trip let’s find that that’s in2:39:07the film that’s in the film if anything happened on the way to the Moon right I’ve read that just look just look for2:39:12that part uh in the film that shows the animation of the Van Allen radiation2:39:17belt and then those book clips and I said my book is interactive one of those2:39:22clips has two or three links underneath it including documentation from I think2:39:27it’s called Scientific American from a 1958 publication that says that the2:39:35radiation is 100 times a lethal dose we have an article to that linked in one of2:39:41the video clips description 100 times a lethal dose it says so talks about the2:39:47rad you know the lethal dose and so so forth and how much is in the van Allen radiation belt based on probes they sent2:39:53up in the late 50s in which the Geer counters broke because they vibrated so much they said it was 100 times a lethal2:40:00dose back when Von Brun said you would need three rockets Wayne 30,000 per more2:40:07than the Saturn 5 rocket but all that stuff was buried and now they’re you know rewriting history to falsify the2:40:14moon landings so one of the problems is that if they did did fake it in order to2:40:22redo it it’s even if the technology exists today to be able to Shield a craft to2:40:29get through the vanel and radiation belts and to fuel it adequately to get to the moon to pursue that and to pursue2:40:37that transparently where you have to explain the protection that you’re putting in place because of the danger because of the measurements that we have2:40:44because we did send the Orion up there we did send different probes up there to figure out how much rad is that would2:40:51throw into question whether or not the original Apollo missions were true so if2:40:56if it was even if we are capable of doing it today if those were fake it2:41:02would stop us from doing it today somewhat is that fair to say yeah mhm yeah and it’s one of those things2:41:11like like I talk about with the UFOs it’s like Lucy with Charlie Brown in the football like you always think you’re G2:41:18to get that football but nope they pull it away from you it’s like this if if they do want to actually2:41:28go to the moon and go to Mars and all and if we have the technology they’re going to have to publicly address what2:41:35precautions that they’re going through in order to Shield people from the radiation if they’re being accurate and honest about it well yeah Kelly Smith2:41:42made an attempt to do that I don’t know if it’s intentional or unintentional but he said the technology necessary to2:41:49protect astronauts from the radiation to the moon has not been invented yet so if2:41:56it’s not been invented yet as of 2014 and it’s not been invented yet as of today it certainly wasn’t around in 19692:42:03and this explains that footage of why they’re faking being halfway to the Moon2:42:09because they can’t even go halfway they can’t leave Earth orbit and what a surprise 54 years later they still2:42:16cannot leave Earth orbit that’s why there’s mannequins orbiting the moon because of the deadly radiation that’s2:42:23why well also because it’s cheaper to send mannequins you have to keep them alive well they said they were going to2:42:28send people in 2018 uh and now 100% behind schedule2:42:34they can only send mannequins so if they could send people they would the fact that they didn’t means they can’t which2:42:40means it’s lethal radiation that’s what it means well that seems to be the most logical impediment right that in microm2:42:47meteor well and the fuel and the fuel because Elon Musk he’s a smart guy he2:42:52says it’s going to take nine fuel trips in order to have see you can find him saying that Jamie it’s eight I looked it2:42:59up oh I’m sorry eight eight fuel trips pull up him saying that I think he’s made it more efficient now he’s made2:43:05bigger containers so now so what are people that are confronted by this information that wanted to refute it2:43:10what do they say well the college professor I talked to said even a confession from buzzz Aldren that the2:43:16moon missions were fake wouldn’t dissuade him from the Glorious moon landings he would still think they were2:43:21they were real anyway Elon Musk says it would take eight Starship launches to fuel up a single Moon trip Elon Musk2:43:28isn’t entirely sure how many Starships it will take I would just so for for that’s without creating a new rocket to2:43:34create a new payload to create the amount of fuel they’d have to take that’s just what they already have just to do he said the moon landings were2:43:41were a historical anomaly meaning they’re out of place to have had greater2:43:46technology in the past and in the future I believe he knows that the moon2:43:51missions are fake but he needs cooperation with NASA to fulfill his2:43:56dreams and he’s playing ball I would probably do the same thing yeah yeah2:44:03that makes sense um this again this is one of those subjects2:44:09and this is why so many people are reluctant to take it on but if you even talk about the moonlanding being fake or2:44:15entertain a person like yourself that says this you’re automat put in the category of being a fool isn’t that2:44:22interesting if you believe the lie you’re intelligent and if you believe the truth you’re a fool not just that2:44:29it’s self- policed and it’s uh policed by a large percentage of the population2:44:34that will certainly attack you after this video and say why did I have you on this guy’s a crack a crank rather what2:44:42would what has anyone ever tried to sit down and debunk you cuz I’m inviting2:44:48someone to do that that if they want to do that with you cuz once this comes out I know there’s going to be a lot of people that are outraged the best way to2:44:54stop it would be to someone for someone to sit down and go over in every detail2:44:59why you’re wrong and has anybody ever done that I’ve never debated anybody about whether it was real or not nobody2:45:05ever wanted to no one ever asked me to debate them I know that they were fake I2:45:10used to not only believe they were real I worshiped them and if I can go a child2:45:16right well through a teenager mhm and I admitted that I was wrong and2:45:22still when I had all this evidence indicating the fraud I still gave him the benefit of the doubt that that2:45:28million-dollar film that was financed by someone who builds rockets for NASA who knows the moon missions are fake okay2:45:35that took seven years just to edit that movie that’s 45 minutes long took me 4,000 hours what is this debate from2:45:442002 on MSNBC with him and someone oh yeah that’s Phil plate yeah I mean not a2:45:49real debate it’s like a one minute interview but uh2:45:54he that that film took seven years to produce three and a half years into it I pop in the tape it says don’t show to2:46:01the public I hit fast forward it’s the same shot over and over again the Blue Earth allegedly bouncing around I’m like2:46:08well let me let me listen to that from the top we never played the talk by the way we I hear a third track of audio2:46:14prompting them to fake a 4-second radio delay and I’m like that’s not the window is it that’s not the window the lights2:46:21come up and then it dawned on me they really did fake the moonlanding so before that you were on the fence well2:46:28originally I thought they went and thought it was the greatest thing I worshiped it by having pictures in my2:46:33room for many years and it was just bill casing Bill casing coming out that and looking at the pictures as a filmmaker2:46:39I’d become a filmmaker whose job is to make fake scenes look real and I could2:46:45tell that they were fake backgrounds I could tell that the Shadows intersected I said still that’s not enough proof for2:46:51me to say such a thing as they faked it but when I found that footage of them faking being halfway to the Moon right2:46:57in front of your eyes with a third track of audio of the CIA telling him to fake a 4sec radio delay that’s it the two NBC2:47:05news director agreed it proves they didn’t go to the moon and the weird thing is Joe this is the Lynch pin this2:47:11is the finger out of the Dyke you know the JFK witness list they2:47:16say it’s 200 people they knocked off to keep that a secret 911 3000 maybe they2:47:22killed 20 people to cover it up even though it killed the fewest number of people it’s the one that will enrage the2:47:29public the most if they find out because they waved their Flags they got down on their knees and prayed and they cried2:47:36they gave them Medals of Honor they printed it on stamps and coins and they taught it in school the Glorious2:47:43moonlanding if the public this is what the NBC news director tried to get me to understand which which I didn’t2:47:49understand until recently if the truth comes out it will bring down the corruption it’s the Lynch pin the2:47:56moonlanding fraud coming out has to happen or we will never have honest government ever again let’s look at the2:48:04apollo1 postflight press conference because this is a weird one because2:48:10these guys just return from the Moon and they look like they’re in a hostage2:48:16video well they look like they’re at the funeral of their mother it does not seem like these are happy guys who just2:48:22returned from the Moon Scoot youre a little bit here we go2:48:29so look how nervous they look look at Michael Collins fidgeting and obviously you would be nervous2:48:35you’re addressing all these people but it’s the tone in which Neil Armstrong takes and then after this we’re going to2:48:41show the 25th anniversary speech which is one of the most bizarre2:48:59yeah go to him talking let’s right over it’s developing and unfolding go back a little bit go back a2:49:06little bit so you can hear from an adventure here we go it was our pleasure2:49:11to have participated in one great adventure it’s an adventure that took2:49:18place not not just in the month of July but rather one that took place in2:49:24the last decade we all here and the2:49:32people listening in today had the opportunity to share that Adventure over2:49:37its developing and unfolding in the past months and2:49:44years it’s our privilege today to share with2:49:50you some of the details of that final month of2:49:57July that was certainly the Highlight for the2:50:03three of us of that decade we’re going to divert a little2:50:10bit from the format of past press conferences and talk about the things2:50:18that in interested us most in particular the the uh things2:50:26that occurred on and about the2:50:31moon we will use uh a number of films2:50:37and and slides which most of you have already2:50:42seen and with the intent of of pointing out2:50:47some of the things that that we observed on the the spot which may not be obvious to to those of you who2:50:55are who are uh looking at them here from The Sur surface of2:51:06Earth the the flight as you know started2:51:12promptly and I think that was characteristic of of all the events at the2:51:20flight the Saturn gave us one magnificent ride2:51:27both into Earth orbit and on a trajectory to the2:51:35Moon [Music] our our2:51:42memory of that actually differs little from the reports that you have all heard2:51:48from the from those previous Saturn five flights and and those the previous2:51:54flights served us well in preparation for this flight in in the Boost as well as the2:52:01subsequent phases2:52:07I we would like to to skip directly to uh the trans luner Coast phase2:52:15and uh remind uh ourselves of of the chain of2:52:25events that long chain of events that actually permitted a landing starting with2:52:32the undockings the transposition and docking2:52:39sequence this is going to go on for a long time one interesting thing to note there you see the two teleprompters2:52:44there in the desk these are the only guys on Earth know what it was like to2:52:50walk on the moon and yet they’re being prompted on how to answer the questions um it they just look very odd2:52:58it look very it looks very odd another odd thing was that Michael Collins said that he couldn’t see stars but yet he2:53:03wrote in his 1994 book about how magnificent Stars looked and also he2:53:08never left the lunar orbiter that’s right and also when he’s asked about2:53:14stars uh Neil Armstrong says I don’t recall and then Michael Collins to fill in for2:53:21him to help him out says I don’t remember seeing any yeah which he wasn’t there they were all three orbiting the2:53:27Earth so they had the same experience but he forgot so if you get the written transcript of that the I don’t remember2:53:34seeing any they change it to buzz saying it you see lightning strikes twice in2:53:40the same place what a coincidence first a type O that says Buzz said it instead2:53:46of Michael Collins and then in the video Michael Collins answering a question he should know nothing about having not2:53:51been on the moon and it gets attributed to Buzz Aldren because it’s not convenient but if you watch because they didn’t have YouTube videos back then2:53:58people got the transcript they said we need to correct that right Michael Collins wasn’t there right so they said2:54:04Buzz said it so yeah let’s they’re covering for it let’s pay the 25th uh2:54:09play the 25th anniversary speech because here’s one of the craziest things near Armstrong first man on the moon doesn’t2:54:17give interviews doesn’t want to talk about it doesn’t want to appear publicly becomes kind of a recluse and you would2:54:23imagine that a guy who uh didn’t want fame and all of a sudden he’s thrust2:54:29into the public light like that would be a real problem he probably didn’t like it didn’t enjoy it didn’t enjoy being2:54:34the center of attention and said you know what I was on the moon but I’m just going to just lay back you could look at it that way or you could look at it like2:54:41if you have a guy from a public relations perspective he’s one of the2:54:47most Valu able people to interview of all time he’s the first man to walk on2:54:52another planet he walked on the moon the first man to we we sent him to another planet he landed on our moon and he2:54:59walked around we got video footage of it that guy would be a hero he would be everywhere they would interview him2:55:04constantly just from a PR standpoint you would kind of force that guy to do some2:55:09interviews and talk about it because it’s the most incredible accomplishment in human history as far as what human2:55:16beings been able to do it’s the most significant technological breakthrough ever put a person on the another [ __ ]2:55:22planet right but he doesn’t do that he doesn’t talk to anybody and then he gives a speech so he G this is a speech2:55:28at the 25th anniversary of NASA and he’s giving this speech to like uh uh is it2:55:33American valid victorians High School valid victorians like some of the best brightest high school kids when Clinton2:55:38was President yeah and so this speech is so bizarre I’ve never seen anybody give2:55:44a rational explanation as to what the hell he is saying other then he’s trying2:55:49to tell you that something is [ __ ] so listen to the2:55:55speech in 1994 Neil Armstrong made a rare public appearance and held back2:56:01tears as he spoke these brief cryptic remarks before the next generation of taxpayers as they toured the White2:56:09House today we have with us uh a group of students among America’s2:56:16best to you we say we have only completed a2:56:22beginning we leave you much that is2:56:27undone there are great ideas undiscovered breakthroughs available to2:56:34those who can remove one of truth’s protective2:56:40layers okay what does that mean what does that mean I think he’s2:56:46trying to say something you know that is one of the most cryptic things I’ve ever heard anybody say publicly you can also2:56:51notice that he was looking down except that part he had memorized perhaps someday you’ll be able2:56:59to remove one of truth’s protective layers about the moon lanting how about2:57:04that bizarre as he’s holding back tears in my opinion you know how many pictures2:57:09there are of him on the surface of the Moon you know posing as the first man on the moon a still picture zero I went to2:57:17the archives personally a vault I had the employees I said find me a picture of Neil Armstrong on the surface of the2:57:24Moon a still picture they went in and out in and out scratching their heads he2:57:29refused to have his picture taken he refuses to give interviews unless the president asks him to you see not a2:57:37single picture because he didn’t want to have anything to do with it it disgusted him I believe they asked him to2:57:45participate in the fraud and at that point he was a noble man he said no thank you then they said you don’t want2:57:50to end up like APO one crew do you the guy’s a test pilot I don’t think2:57:56threatened his life man or you could say if you do this it’s for National Security there’s a reason to do this or2:58:03you know involved in a cold war it’s a very important thing that we achieve military superiority over the Soviet2:58:09Union I don’t I think he would have resigned and they wouldn’t allow that that would bring suspicion so I think they had to threaten I think they would2:58:15had to threaten this is all speculation though that’s right it’s my specul from years of research this video is not speculation and the video is crazy most2:58:23people again are not aware of that video I think they threatened his family’s life to get him to participate perhaps2:58:29but we’re just speculating right but the video again that’s not speculation has anybody ever gone over that video and go2:58:35well but it’s real simple anybody ever knil to Grass ties in it like that’s simple this is just very simple it’s2:58:40like we we went um another thing was that uh you could track the uh the this2:58:48the the trip the entire way and that people were tracking it from Earth well that’s not true the only people who had2:58:54the capability of tracking it were the American government and the Soviets who were blackmailing us for knowing that it2:59:02was fraudulent so so that’s just speculation too though right it’s like2:59:07how were they blackmailing people is there any evidence that they were blackma mailing people well they they2:59:12obviously know that the moon missions are fake Putin was not surprised it was around that time that we sold grain to2:59:19the Soviet Union before cost even though they’re supposed to be uh our enemy and2:59:25around the same time after Richard Nixon said communist China is an enemy that CH2:59:32that he went to China which is generally the inferior person visits the superior2:59:39person you see and so he went cuz I think they know I think they found out2:59:45and blackmailed them too and we know they are blackmailing NASA for technology in exchange for not blowing2:59:52the whistle you know that for a fact yeah I interviewed a guy who works for the Chinese space agency it’s on my YouTube channel right but that’s just2:59:58him saying that that’s not that’s his eyewitness testimony from talking to3:00:03people who work there well I understand what you’re saying but it’s still like it’s a guy saying it a guy who works in3:00:10the Chinese space agency but if you’re going to like he might not be telling the truth like we don’t have proof you3:00:15know what I’m saying well you have to judge I mean people people are convicted and sent to death row based on the3:00:21testimony of people all the time right but this is one guy saying something extraordinary and extraordinary claims3:00:27require extraordinary evidence it’s not that extraordinary that China would find out about the moonlanding fraud and3:00:34instead of blowing the whistle would blackmail as a more valuable tool of the3:00:39information I think that’s what the Soviets are doing to we being blackmailed it’s another good reason for3:00:44the truth to come out so we won’t be blackmailed by China and Russia anymore what do you think would happen if3:00:51definitive proof came out if Trump opened up all the files if everybody started talking about it and definitive3:00:57proof was was we we we got to a point technologically where we are ready to3:01:02travel to other planets we realize hey this is impediment and this this impediment could not have possibly been3:01:08traversed by the Apollo Astronauts well if the truth came out acknowledged by3:01:13the government it would be a beautiful beautiful beautiful moment in history because the faking of the moonlanding is3:01:20so much more significant than if they had actually gone it shows the sad Fallen state of mankind it would be like3:01:29throwing a glass of water in the Public’s face they wake up they realize3:01:35they’ve been sleepwalking and they look down and they’re one foot away from a cliff it would be dead silence oh my3:01:44gosh that’s who we are not just as a nation but as a spe we can’t even tell the truth about such3:01:50a thing but wouldn’t the problem then be we would have to revamp the entirety of government if if that’s the case the3:01:57intelligence agencies have done this if they really did Kill Kennedy if they really did fake the moonlanding if they3:02:02really did all the things that we think they did like the no one would have faith in them anymore that’s right and3:02:10maybe that’ll happen and so be it you know the stock market could crash the3:02:16dollar could crash it could ruin the reputation of the United States of America but we have a gang green limb3:02:23William Benny you know worked for the NSA for 30 years he says the CIA the NSA3:02:30they’re spying on the private cell phone conversations of Supreme Court Justices3:02:35to get dirt on them to Blackmail them into voting the way the CIA and NSA tell3:02:41them that’s a dangerous situation for a country to be in there needs to be a3:02:47major major house cleaning I’m not even sure what would happen if let’s say all3:02:52the federal government ran on electricity and you could unplug it all with one plug I’m not sure what would3:02:58happen to you and me and everyone else’s life if we unplug the federal government I don’t know why we can’t just have the3:03:05independent States of America and uh manage your own Affairs3:03:10because they are so corrupt they’re killing their own president they’re starting war after War based on lies and3:03:16fabrications right we have so many murders of people that3:03:22they have done themselves the federal government is killing their own people3:03:27and we’re funding it it’s wrong what they’re doing is morally wrong our leaders are3:03:33gangsters what are we missing like what what have we not covered we’ve we’ve3:03:39basically done this right now we’re at like three hours plus we’ve been talking about this what have we left out3:03:44anything well I think we’ve covered most of we have the fact that Shadows can’t3:03:50intersect unless it’s electrical light we have footage of them faking being halfway to the Moon we have the deathbed3:03:56testimony of an eyewitness who saw them filming Apollo 11 at Canon air force base and we have the fact that you can’t3:04:02travel a thousand times further into space in 1969 on the first attempt with3:04:08one minut the computing power of cell phone then you can 50 years later3:04:13technology has never been better in the past than in the future that proves it if it weren’t a sweet lie that people3:04:21loved and wouldn’t don’t want to give up people would see the truth for what it is that’s an interesting thing too that3:04:27you said it’s a positive lie it is yeah it’s not a lie like that got us into a war that wind up killing innocent3:04:32civilians that we know happens JFK is dead and all the people in 9 or 11 are dead regardless of who did it and why3:04:39this is different this is taking candy away from people and giving them manure3:04:44they’re defending the candy okay um would you be willing to debate3:04:50somebody if I get someone to come on here and and prepare and talk to you and refute all this stuff sure okay so we’ll3:04:57put that out there because I would like to see that I would like to see how someone describes that a way okay and3:05:02what they think about this because I’m sure there’s eyeballs rolling and fingers hitting keyboards right now people are getting to get very outraged3:05:09at this conversation but uh I don’t think I don’t think the right way to handle this3:05:14is to not talk about or to silence someone I think if you’re wrong the right way is to let you lay out your3:05:20best argument and have someone refute that best argument so I hope that at least is attempted okay and uh you’ve3:05:28been at this a long time B you you little tired of uh talking about the moon landing how long you been at this3:05:33for it’s a historic importance because the the faking of the moonlanding for3:05:39mankind is more significant than if they’ actually gone that they lied to the world embezzled money murdered their3:05:45own people that covered up and to not know that truth is like having cancer3:05:51and not knowing we have to know we can have a Great Awakening about everything else but if we still are deceived about3:05:58the greatest accomplishment of mankind you see then there is no Great Awakening it’s a spiritual issue it’s it’s a3:06:06spiritual battle between truth it’s ironic you know there was a famous writer who said about the Tower of Babel3:06:13the monument to their pride became a memorial to their and if the truth comes out that will3:06:20happen do you think that this is a subject that even intelligent people3:06:25that get this information of it resonance it resonates with them that they’re going to try to ignore because3:06:32it’s so controversial that you instantly get labeled a cook if you believe this the the problem with intelligence is3:06:38people can be smart but only within a narrow field like I asked my doctor get this what do you know about natural3:06:45medicine you know what they said virtually word for word all I know is what pill to prescribe for this illness3:06:52that I was taught in University that’s all I know they’re intelligent within that narrow field but they can’t3:06:58critically think and universities are Universal thinking I was forbidden by3:07:04the University of Pittsburgh after having a contract to speak to a student body group about the moonlanding fraud3:07:11they forbid it and the Free Speech free expression United States of America you3:07:17see this is a major problem people are emotional about this they have to be3:07:22willing to be wrong and people are so arrogant I mean a college professor teaching Aerospace who says if Buzz3:07:29Aldren confessed on national TV that it was fake filmed at Canon air force base just like Bart said he would still think3:07:36he walked on the moon anyway that’s what we’re up against this is a God to them the god of science is putting a man on3:07:43the moon when it’s really just propaganda all right Bart I think you’ve eloquently stated your case and I think3:07:50you’ve been at this like I said for a long time so uh I’m really hoping that someone will sit down and talk to you3:07:56about this and we can get further to the bottom of it because the arguments are very compelling the the the whole the3:08:03the the actual raw facts are very puzzling the whole thing is very odd very odd case all this stuff people can3:08:09investigate for themselves just go to sell.com there’s 17 Clips they can watch for free and then decide for themselves3:08:16okay thank appreciate you man no problem bye everybody

my guest today’s Bart saal and you may remember him as the time where heapproached uh uh buz Aldren and he asked him to put his hands on the Bible toswear as if they had landed on the moon he went around talking to a lot of people I think there was even a documentary about it and then buz Aldrengot upset and punched him man if you’ve ever seen that clip that’s the individual I’m I’m interviewing today he just recently wrote a book calledmoonman the true story of a filmmaker on the CIA Hit List he was also The ManBehind the infamous funny things happened on the way to the Moon he does not believe we landed on the moon hethinks it say hoax and a lot of other things are hoax we’re going to see if we can figure this thing out by the end of today’s interview having said that bthank you so much for being a guest on Val tainment tell us why you were so convinced that the moon landing was ahoax and what gave you this idea that it was a hoax well I grew up as the biggestsupporter of the moon landings my dad was in the Air Force he was an officeruh he got a packet at the time of the alleged moonlandings of publicity 9x12color pictures I had them up on my wall for 10 years saw them every day from the age of 4 to 14 which is3,650 times and then um I saw a television show with this gentleman bythe name of William casing on it he worked as a contractor for Rocket dine during the Apollo program for six yearshe had very high security clearances because he would edit Communications going from the top generals back andforth to correct their grammar and everything so they wouldn’t look immature and so he saw a classified Memofrom Von Brun who said the odds of going to the Moon successfully on the firstattempt with 1960s technology was a one in 10,000 chance and so he saw all thesedepartments being shuffled around all the time just as soon as somebody got their full understanding of what theywere doing they would shff everybody around they were doing departmentalization so no one could seethe full picture that the equipment certainly couldn’t do it I mean here’s the simplest proof it’s simply logicalwhat they’re claiming is that they went a thousand times farther than they cansend astronauts today 50 years ago on the first attempt with one millionth thecomputing power of a cell phone I mean when they flew across the Atlantic for the first time a few years laterhundreds of aircraft and thousand thousands of aircraft were flying across the Atlantic when they went to the NorthPole and South Pole here on Earth they never made it the first attempt it took multiple times and there’s never been atechnological achievement that no one could repeat 50 years later it’s like me telling you 50 years ago Toyota made acar that could go 50,000 miles on a gallon of gasoline and yet today fivedecades later the best car can only go 50 m per gallon or 1,000th the distanceyou would laugh and say the original claim is preposterous and so here we are 50 years later and now the farthest theycan send an astronaut to the Moon is 1,000th the distance that they claimedto have done on the first attempt 50 years ago with less computing power than a cell phone one millionth of thecomputing power it just doesn’t add up it’s the only technological achievement that could not be repeated 50 yearslater it never happened it’s also the only time that they deliberately destroy destroyed a technology I mean the B-52is 70 years old and there’s still 200 of them in service and yet they admit they destroyed all the Apollo equipment andthey’re claiming they have to go back to the moon and recreate it from scratch they destroyed all the original videotapes all the original blueprintsyou would never do that if you really went you would only do that if there was a fraud and you were trying to coverYour Tracks I’d go to the moon in a nan second the problem is we don’t have thetechnology to do that anymore we used to but we uh destroyed that technology andit’s a painful process to build it back again so I started looking into it at a14-year-old thinking hey you know maybe this guy’s right I was open-minded 14-year-old and then 10 years later I’dbecome a filmmaker and I was editing uh for the filmmaker who had produced theshow I saw 10 years earlier I said you remember that guy in your show said we didn’t go to the moon no called the SanFrancisco production office I did they said hey look if you called one or two days later we wouldn’t be able to tellyou because we’re deleting all 10 year-old archives so I called up the guy he said hey you know you’re a filmmakeryou should do a film about this I took off about six months I found out that two of the three astronauts on the firstmission never give interviews I found out that uh the administrator of NASAresigned days before the first mission it’s kind of strange before you’re putting this big feather in your C Ifound out that the Soviets had launched the first satellite the first animal the first man the first woman the first twospacecrafts at the same time and they never went to the moon and then I lookat these Shadows you know I’m a filmmaker my job is to make fake scenes look real and I can tell you fromshowing you one simple photograph that that the moonlandings are shot with electrical lighting I mean if you go outin sunlight Shadows always run parallel you and a friend go out on a sun sunny day and you’ll see your shadows willnever intersect B show us what you mean by this lighting so here is a picturethat I took in sunlight you’ll see that the Shadows because the sun is about a thousand times bigger in diameter thanthe earth that it cast shadows in the same direction over an entire continenthere’s a picture that NASA claims was taken on the moon here you see theShadows are from an object about 5T apart from one another here’s the astronaut shadow going at 12:00 here’sthe shadow of a rock about 5T away it’s going at 9:00 this is all the proof thatyou need that the moon Lings are fake my job as a filmmaker is to make fakescenes look real I use electrical lighting all of the time and when I looked at those pictures these thingsare guaranteed 100% shot in electrical lining I mean there it is right herethis is all the proof that you need that we didn’t go to the moon and then in thecourse of making a funny thing happened on the way to the Moon we found classified footage of them faking partof the photography right in front of your eyes I when I popped in this tape saido not show to the public mind you Ihad asked them for all the footage from just the first mission figuring if they faked it they were more likely to havemade a mistake the first time they faked it so I pop in this tape it says do not show to the public and then I see thisparticular shot here of what is allegedly the Blue Earth floating inspace because at this point in the mission there’s supposed to be 130,000 miles away from the earth and this isallegedly with the camera up against their window shooting the Earth far away which it’s not this was the only fakefootage that the astronauts faked themselves basically I gotten the samefootage over and over again I asked for unedited footage but I didn’t get any Bill casing thinks a whistleblower fromNASA sent me this footage intentionally so when I hit fast forward in the machine I kept seeing this same shot forthe full hour which is kind of odd why would I see this little shot here of the Earth floating in space for a full hourbecause it was a special effect shot that they were trying to perfect so I I rewound the tape I hit play and I heardthe CIA talking to the astronauts on the tape take a listen Houstonthe TV looksgreat okay so you just heard NASA talking to the astronauts hey the TVpicture looks great then there’s a 4 second delay and then a third party the CIAsays talk and then the astronauts answer wellthey’re really in authority orbit so they heard them right away if they had answered right away it would give awaythe fact that they’re very close to the Earth so they had an earpiece in and basically they were instructed not toanswer NASA until 4 seconds went[Music]by so first they were asked the question they counted off 4 seconds the CIA saidtalk and then they started answering to give the impression that they were far away from the earth when in fact theywere still in Earth orbit which is where they stayed the entire time 11 Houston Goldstone says that theTV looks great [Music]over now why are they doing why what’s the motive to fake this because they can’t leave Earth orbit and so they haveto show footage as if they’ve left Earth orbit okay so if you go to the next cliphere we only have one window that uh has a view of the earth and it’s filled upwith the TV Camera you just said they only had one window that faces the Earthand it’s filled up with the TV camera right which it would have to be if this is really the Earth floating in spacethen they have to have the camera’s lens up against the window in order to shootthis right this is allegedly the Earth floating in space and this is space around it but you’ll see in a minutethis is really the circular window of the spacecraft with a section of the earth outside of it and the cameraspulled back at the back of the spacecraft with all the lights turned off all of which they talk about becausethey thought these private conversations would be edited out so let’s take a listen of him claiming that he’s 130,000miles away from the earth or halfway to theMoon from about 130,000 miles okay so right now he’s claimingthat this is 130,000 miles out that this is the Earth floating in space and thathe has the camera up against the windows glass so here you see the real positionof the camera this is the footage that we uncovered that they said at the beginning do not show to the public thisis proof that they’re faking being halfway to the Moon here’s a work light inside of the spacecraft they put acrescent piece of material inside the window to make it look like the Terminator line between night and dayhere they are removing part of that those are the astronauts in front of the window removing this is a one foot modelof the Earth you see that then we see the iris open up and we see the reallocation of the the camera being at the back of the spacecraft you see that sothey just faked being halfway to the Moon see this is really the window of the spacecraft with in Earth orbit withthe bright Earth shine coming through but over here they claimed it was the Earth floating in space do you see thatwe have the unedited version that’s why it said at the beginning of the film donot show this to the public right how’d you get this footage well U Bill casingbelieves a whistleblower from NASA sent it to us so basically three and a half years into the seven-year project ofmaking a funny thing happened on the way to the Moon I discovered this footage this footage of the crew of Apollo 11faking being halfway to the moon now why are they faking being halfway to theMoon because they cannot go halfway to the Moon if they could really go we’d beseeing the real Earth out the window and they wouldn’t be faking a one- foot model of it like they’re doing now so ifthey’re faking being halfway to the Moon it means they cannot leave Earth orbit and what a surprise 50 years later theycannot leave Earth orbit it’s largely because of a radiation field that startsat about a thousand miles up that they would have to go through in order to reach the moon that radiation field is25,000 miles thick and the only time in history that someone has said to have gone through it is the Apollo Astronautsto the Moon in back and NASA’s own Kelly Smith says that the technology to gothrough that radiation has yet to be invented as we get further away from Earth we’ll pass through the Van Allenbelts an area of dangerousradiation radiation like this could harm the guidance systems onboard computers or other electronics on a naturally wehave to pass through this danger zone twice once up and once backbut Orion has protection shielding will be put to the test as the vehicle cuts through the waves of radiation sensorsaboard will record radiation levels for scientists to study we must solve these challenges before we send people throughthis region of space we must solve these challenges before we send people through this region of space we must solve thesechallenges before we send people through this region of space so basically the guy just said that the technology to gothrough the radiation belt has yet to be invented first he called them dangerous radiation this was froman unmanned probe the Orion Project okay they sent an unmanned probe up there with two Geer counters they said it it’sa dangerous radiation and he says we must solve these radiation challengesbefore we send people through this region of space meaning the technology to send human beings to the radiationfield has yet to be invented you see that so I call up NASA I said let metalk to this guy I’m a journalist he said oh no he didn’t talk to journalists anymore since he made that mistake and Isaid well send me these Geer counter readings right of the of the radiation belts and they said that’s classified Isaid wait a minute you sent probes to the Sun to find out how much helium is in the sun those measurements are justnature they’re not classified you sent probes to Jupiter to find out how much hydrogen is in Jupiter’s atmospherethat’s just nature so why would the amount of radiation in this radiation belt surrounding Earth why would thosemeasurements be classified because if they release them it would prove that they’re deadly and they cannot go to theMoon you know when they made the atomic bomb 10 years later it was like a hundred times more powerful and another10 years later it was a thousand times more powerful this is the only time in world history that technology has gonebackwards if they really went to the moon on the first attempt with one hum milant the computing power of a cellphone they would have been on Mars 10 years later they would have been in another solar system by now the point isit’s impossible for technology to go backwards can you tell me big crediblemathematicians doctors you know famous power politicians presidents who don’tbelieve this event took place any major names that support that this never Happ on page 156 of his book my life he tellsa story about about uh when he was working with a carpenter back in 1969 he said uh hey you know to thecarpenter while they were building House Bill Clinton said to them hey in the moonlanding great the carpenter said I don’t believe them those televisionpeople can make you think one thing when they’re really doing something else and then he said after spending eight yearsin Washington he came to believe that the old man was ahead of his time meaning he also agreed that the moonlandings were fake it’s very simple there’s no independent IRA Witnesses noindependent press coverage they have a TV picture completely controlled by the federal government and three governmentemployees of the of the alleged greatest event in human history I mean it’sunbelievable that they’re claiming that they went a thousand times farther than they can go today 50 years ago with onemillionth of computing power that they have today it’s a Preposterous claim if it wasn’t for people’s emotionalattachment to the patriotism or they it becomes a religion for people look howgreat science is look how great we are they would ac they would already acknowledge it when Bill casing firstsuggested that I do a film about this right which is when I was 24 years AGold which is about 30 years ago I turned it down because I saw the Shadows intersecting I saw the Soviets were moreadvanced I saw two of the three guys don’t give interviews but I’m telling you 30 years ago it scared me because Ipersonally I have kind of a a Relentless personality and I also love puzzles wewere talking about games before we got started I love games and puzzles and I said to myself Patrick I said look ifanyone could figure out whether he went to the moon or not it would probably be me and I said you know it looks likethere’s a good possibility that the missions were fraudulent and so I turned down theproject I said I want to have a wife and a family someday why should I risk my life for other people’s mistakes so Idown the project and then another client of mine a Christian client said hey I’ll get one of your scripts uh Mr filmmakerto a famous Hollywood producer if you do me a favor I’m like sure they said read the Bible so I started reading the BibleJune 5th 1989 the day the man stood in front of the tanks in China and it was aone-year Bible divided into 365 reads and over the next five years I read theBible five times from cover to cover and after that I realized you know there is a God there is good and evil there is ajudgment for how we live our life and I said to myself if they didn’t go to the Moonthat’s more profound than if they had actually gone think about this Patrick let’s say they could go to the Moon that would have a certain level ofsignificance to mankind but if they couldn’t go they lied about it they murdered people to keep it a secretthat’s more profound than if they’d actually gone and I said if they didn’t go this is important for mankind to knowotherwise we won’t grow we won’t learn from our mistakes we we’ll be stuck in this corrupted world so I called up BillI said I changed my mind I decided to make the film anyway well let me tell you these films cost $1 million and wewere financed by a board member of an aerospace company who builds Rockets from NASA he knows from an engineeringpoint of view that we didn’t go to the moon and he said it was his Patriot IC duty to finance these films to exposethis fraud okay that’s who financed our movie a board member of an aerospacecompany building rockets for NASA who knows they didn’t go to the moon plus I had a guy who worked there for six yearswho said we didn’t go to the moon but I still said well maybe we’ll find out but when I found that footage of them fakingthe shot of being halfway to the Moon with the CIA telling him how to do it I’m like oh my gosh they really didn’tgo and then it got you know even worse then I found a source okay who wasactually there at the time that they filmed it now this is what I’m releasing in moonman for the very first time hewas personally there at a particular United States base militarybase and he Stood Beside President Johnson while they filmed the faking of Apollo 11 June 1st 2nd and 3rd of 1968we’re going to identify the code name for the Apollo project the military base where it was filmed and a list of 15people he was the chief of security at this base and he and they said only these 15 people are allowed in to Weyewitness this event he had that list and he gave it to me he confessed on hisdeathbed that he was there and some of these people are still alive today andthen in the course of finding this you know footage this proof that we didn’t go to the Moon you know my phone callswere interrupted I started being followed and at one point I was literally kidnapped and drugged by Ipresume the CIA to the point where they were asking me questions I they gave metrue serum or something uh I told them everything they wanted to know I escapedI took my urine sample to a lab uh to prove that I had been drugged illegallyby this some exotic true serum drug I call back uh or actually a friend doesbecause I was trying did not show if they were listening to my phone conversations that where I had gone butsomehow they found out anyway when my friend called the lab to get the results they said well we had a problem and Isaid what was that problem they said well there was a Breakin over the weekend in our lab and they said theonly thing stolen was your urine sample you know so all of this you knowit leads up to the second film astronauts gone wild where I just had the thought you know from TV showsgrowing up hey why not ask somebody to swear on the Bible so we Tracked Down A lot of these Apollo Astronauts and askedthem to swear on the Bible that they walked on the moon most of them would not do it one of them of course you knowpunched me one of them kicked me one of them threatened to shoot me one of them threatened to hit me and one of themwhen I was in their house and they literally physically kicked me from behind when my back was turned rightafter they said they’re not a violent person so they can’t even not lie for five seconds in the commotion we left awireless microphone on them do you have footage of all this stuff do you have a yeah it’s it’s in astronauts they haveit queued up right now if you want to take a listen to it you got it I’d love to see it and so basically we left amicrophone on this guy my camera guy and the commotion of being threatened to be shot left the camera rolling in the backof the car and when they went back inside their house with the doors closedwe heard their private conversations and you know cuz these are highquality microphones they work forquite a distance and when the production secretary who was transcribing all theinterviews with the astronauts a month or so later she calls me up very excited says Bart Bart do you know what they’retalking about in your in their house privately you know when you when the camera was still recording I said notell me she says they’re talking about calling the CIA to have you assassinated I said yeah that’s funny she says noBart no they I’m serious I said yeah that’s really funny said no Bart you’re not listening I’m being serious and andsure enough they’re discussing calling the CIA to have meassassinated you want to call the CIA haveW the question is if they really went to the moon why would they need to call theCIA to have a journalist who’s completely wrong assassinated rightagain if if I’m a conspiracy theorist and I’m completely wrong and it’s silly why would they have to call the CIA tohave me assassinated unless I’m a real investigative journalist uncovering the genuine and outrageous government fraudthe same way with Buzz Aldren okay if he really walked on the moon me sayingotherwise is like throwing a feather at the guy why would someone become violently angry for throwing a featherat them but what it was like is like me walking up to him in the company of his wife and saying oh how’s your mistressshe says hello then he gets angry and that’s exactly what happened I exposedhis fraud I exposed this guy’s fraud and that’s why they become so violent because they’re known you know as Heroesand that’s you know the sad state of our country they gave Congressional Medals of Honor they had tick or tape paradesfor these guys right and some people say when you just see their expression fromthe press conference they’re convinced that they didn’t go to the Moon because they look like they’re at a funeral andso this is what moon man is about not only how and why we didn’t go to the Moon not only about my crazy Adventuresof being kidnapped and drugged not only about naming the military base where it was filmed the dates the code name and alist of 15 people who were there it says look there these people and their apprentices are still at large runningour government this is a dangerous when did you get that audio of Edgar Mitchell what he said uh that was in 2003 andwhat did you do with that audio well we put it in the film the follow-up film called astronauts gone wild no did youever give that to the did you ever approach anybody and and you know shareit with you know the cops or anybody just to say here’s what was said or no no however when my source okay aboutnaming the base okay the code name for the military base and the list of 15people who were there at the time some of whom are still alive today okay and when I named all of this Iconfirmed this with that person surviving family member and when I didthat a couple of days later their house was broken into even though they had asecurity system with cameras They Were Somehow disabled somehow they knew theirpassword everything from their house about their relatives involvement in themilitary and at this base was confiscated and two or three days afterthat they were visited by two government agents who threatened them and their family members with death if they everspoke to me again at that point I contacted the White House Press Secretary I contacted the United StatesSenator on the select intelligence committee and I contacted the FBI near where this person lived to give themprotection I mean this is a very serious thing you have to understand Ralph nater okay he wrote a book in the 60s unsafeat any speed right and the CEO of General Motors James Ro and admittedthat he had Ralph nater followed by former FBI agents simply to not spendmoney to put airbags and cars so if I amexposing the most horrendous government fraud at least emotionally to the publicI think they might keep up with me and my sources and that’s why I was druggedthat’s why this person’s life was threatened that’s why all these things happen I mean I’m sorry I I really wishwe went to the moon our world would be a much better place if people didn’t have their emotional attachment I mean itit’s it’s like a religion to people how dare you say that the great moonlandings are fake you know it’s unbelievable we right now we have 3,000Architects and Engineers right who will go on the record and risk their lifelongreputations and say the three buildings on 911 it’s impossible for them to comedown with fires especially the third one and yet 20 years later nothing is doneabout it three quarters of the American public says Oswald did not kill Kennedy nothing is done about it we have Johnmnur admitting that the Gulf of Tolen incident that led to over a million people dying they completely made thatup and never happened and it’s like why is nothing being done we have WilliamBenny who worked for the NSA for 30 years he says they listen to UnitedStates President’s phone calls Supreme Court Justice’s phone calls Senate and Congress members phone calls in order toget dirt to to Blackmail them to voting a particular way they admit it this iseven on a couple of mainstream media Outlets they admit this is a fact there’s not a single Congressionalhearing done about it because the the evil people who run the world and our government are so entrenched they theyown the FBI they own the justice department if this never happened what’s the big deal let’s just say never happened whatis the big deal about us proving that this never happened well if you go to chapter 11 of my book moonman you seewhat the Achilles heel of all this is I agree with you okay they fake going tothe moon so what and if it weren’t true what I’m about to tell you I would agreewith you okay but the fact is they murdered the crew of Apollo 1 Apollo 1one was going to be the first crew to walk on the moon and they were murdered on January 27th 1967 it’s not my opinionit’s the opinion of the Dead Man’s Widow it’s the opinion of the dead man’s son who is a 747 pilot they haveinvestigated it for decades they are 100% convinced that that fire that killed the man and two crew members withhim the man who would have been the first man to walk in the Moon that that fire was set deliberately the basicallyD Grom was the commander he was the most beloved of all the astronauts because of a Mercury problem he splashed down theexplosive bolts went off his spacecraft flooded he admitted at the press conference he had rolls of nickels inhis pockets to give to his son and school children to say this nickel has been in outer space but when he startedsinking to the bottom of the ocean with all that extra weight he said you know maybe it wasn’t such a great idea thePress car laughed and then somebody asked him they said were youafraid and he said Patrick of course I was afraid and everybody loved him he’stelling he was the biggest critic of the Apollo program he wrote to his Senator he’s wrote to his Congressman he wroteto every General saying they’re not fixing anything a few minutes before he was burned alive they couldn’t get awired intercom to work between two adjoining buildings he said guys how arewe going to go to the moon in two years if we can’t get an intercom to work between two buildings he said I can’thear you the interc comp’s not working so he told his wife who I interviewed extensively that the CIA was all overthe Launchpad the day before the fire the CIA went to his house andconfiscated all of his critical reports he was filing with Congress before they even informed his widow that he was deadthey murdered the Apollo Wan crew because he would not cooperate in faking of the moonlanding the valid lifelongopinion of Betty and Scott Gom they have done thousands of hours of InvestigationI’m just sharing their opinion their opinion is the Apollo one fire was set Del liberate and they have forensicevidence to back it up so why was the CIA there the day before the fire whywould they kill these three men and then later fake the moonlanding because he wouldn’t cooperate with it that’s why hehung a lemon at the top of the spacecraft a few days before he burned alive said this thing is a lemon he saidwe’re 10 years away from going to the Moon not two he complained thousands of times you need to fix this this thisthey never fixed any of it because they knew they were only going into Earth orbit and they had not yet informed theastronauts same thing with Baron he was a whistleblower and he did a report tworeports for congress saying this is not going to the Moon by the end of the decade they’re claiming they need 15years to return to the Moon with five decades better technology than when they had an eight-year goal to go to the Moonbefore cell phones and microwave ovens they could do it in eight years now 50 years later it’s going to take 15 yearsReagan said they’d go back to the Moon in five years never happened then the president after him Clinton said they’dgo to the Moon never happened George Bush Senior said they’d return to the Moon in five years never happened GeorgeBush Jr said twice they’ll go to the moon in five years never happened Obama said we’d go to the moon in 5 yearsnever happened and they said they’re going to send an unmanned probe to orbit the Moon and that never happened theysaid that in in uh 2016 by 2018 we’ll have an unmanned probe going around the Moon that never happened they can’t evendo that did Trump did Trump ever say we’re going on the moon we’re gonna um I think he sent the goal of20124 and they just said about I don’t know three or four months ago they can’t do that either and China which is themost industrialized Nation on the planet says they need 15 years minimum in orderto go to the moon so how come they could do it 50 years ago in eight years and now with five decades better rocket andcomputer technology they need twice the time to go to the Moon it it’s illogical there’s never been a technologicalachievement that no one could repeat 50 years later never happened you don’t believe man landed on moon yet youbelieve in a God you’ve never personally physically met before what do you say to that I said those people need to readtwo books the first one is called privileged planet and the second book is one Cosmos under God and they will seethat mathematically the odds of there being life on Earth or anywhere in the universe is not likely at all it’s likewining the Powerball 20 times in a row remember what the government says is generally the exact opposite of thetruth they’re trying to tell you that there must be life everywhere but these two books show you there shouldn’t evenbe life on Earth that it has to be by Design there’s no other explanation for it things don’t make themselves carsdon’t make themselves look at our body all the departmentalized organs doing their job the ear it’s it’s obviouslydesign now whether you can understand it or not doesn’t matter intellectuals get so prideful they say well if we can’tcomprehend it it must not be true well my dog I can open the hood of my car and say this is the alternator this is thestarter it will never understand a spark plug but it doesn’t mean that the engine wasn’t designed by an intelligencehigher than itself so the the fact is logic says they didn’t go to the Moonbecause it doesn’t make sense that they could go a thousand times farther than they can go today 50 years ago with onemillionth to computing power cell phone that’s completely illogical it’s the only time in history that technologywent backwards it’s the only time in history that a technological claim couldn’t be repeated 50 years later Imean imagine Bill Gates spending $200 billion dollar to build the first computer and when he was done throwingall the hardware the schematics all the records of it into the fireplace it would never happen they should have donethat with the atomic bomb but they didn’t so why would they if they really went to the moon and spent $200 billiondollar in today’s dollars why would they throw that away they would never do that but the fact that they did is proof thatthey didn’t go because if they really went they would never do it and if they were covering up the fraud that’s exactly what they would do so there yougo I’d go to the moon in a nano second the problem is we don’t have thetechnology to do that anymore we used to but we uh destroyed that technology nowwe only can fly in Earth orbit that’s the farthest that we can go and this new system that we’re building is going toallow us to go beyond and hopefully take humans into the solar system to explore so the Moon Mars asteroids there’s a lotof destinations that we could go to and we’re building these building block components in order to allow us to dothat eventually eventually eventually there you go folks I uh havemore information on this topic than I did prior to coming on and uh interviewing you and it’s always a goodthing we’re going to put the link below to your website where people can go and get all this content uh uh from yoursite having said that bark thank you so much for being a guest on Val tment no problem